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How many tanks and materiel did Ukrainians take from the Russians? On October 2022 it was an estimated 453 Russian tanks. I guess 1, 2, 3 don't work that well i

by EGreg 3y ago

How many tanks and materiel did Ukrainians take from the Russians? On October 2022 it was an estimated 453 Russian tanks. I guess 1, 2, 3 don't work that well in battle https://www.newsweek.com/how-russian-tanks-captured-ukraine-helping-fight-vladimir-putin-1750115 https://www.newsweek.com/how-russian-tanks-captured-ukraine-... Also for other things too: https://nypost.com/2023/05/11/ukrainians-strike-russians-with-their-own-anti-tank-missile/ https://nypost.com/2023/05/11/ukrainians-strike-russians-wit...

kube-system 3y ago
Are you suggesting that locks would have prevented this?
- EGreg 3y ago
  Certainly kill switches would Every TV show has a self destruct mechanism to prevent a ship from falling into enemy hands and blabla etc
  - kube-system 3y ago
    An opposing military capable of leading the Russian military to abandon their tanks would also have the capability of defeating a kill switch once they have unhindered physical access to it. Scuttling has been a common military practice, for literally millennia. This practice is unrelated to the presence of any locks on the vehicle. Militaries are equipped with explosives and weapons and can perform these actions without them being built into the vehicle. The reason this did not happen is not due to the construction of their vehicles, it is because they did not take action to do so. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scuttling https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scuttling The automated self-destruct countdowns you have seen in movies and TV shows are used for dramatic effect. In reality, it is cheaper, more reliable, and safer to scuttle a manned vehicle manually.
  - somerandomqaguy 3y ago
    So... you're basing your opinion about machines used by soldiers in combat.... on fictional television shows? Just a question, have you ever worked with soldiers before?
  - adhesive_wombat 3y ago
    Forget the suspensefully-narrated self destruct sequences, why has the Pentagon not invested in plot armour for every soldier? Make sure the uniforms aren't red and they can only die near series finales.
Terr_ 3y ago
So what? None of that wall-spaghetti supports an argument for keyed ignition locks as the solution. It's not like those Russian troops had just stepped away to get coffee. If anything, it suggests other things like: 1. Russia shouldn't have tried a desperate blitzkreig through muddy terrain. 2. The Russian military should have had better policies/equipment to destroy or scuttle the ofabandoned tanks. 3. Russian tank-drivers should have had better training so that they didn't get their vehicles stuck in embarrassing ways. Plus it's not like the opposing force will be a bunch of joyriding delinquents: Even if you completely remove your abandoned truck's steering-wheel and pedals, your way out, they've got mechanics and tools and factories, they can just fit their own. Truly denying them any valuable salvage is actually a lot of work/damage.
sleepybrett 3y ago
No fucking key is going to stop them from finding that tank in a field, towing it back to a farm behind friendly lines, and bypassing the fucking lock using a fucking hammer or a soldering iron.

by EGreg 3y ago

kube-system 3y ago

Are you suggesting that locks would have prevented this?

EGreg 3y ago
Certainly kill switches would Every TV show has a self destruct mechanism to prevent a ship from falling into enemy hands and blabla etc
- kube-system 3y ago
  An opposing military capable of leading the Russian military to abandon their tanks would also have the capability of defeating a kill switch once they have unhindered physical access to it. Scuttling has been a common military practice, for literally millennia. This practice is unrelated to the presence of any locks on the vehicle. Militaries are equipped with explosives and weapons and can perform these actions without them being built into the vehicle. The reason this did not happen is not due to the construction of their vehicles, it is because they did not take action to do so. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scuttling https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scuttling The automated self-destruct countdowns you have seen in movies and TV shows are used for dramatic effect. In reality, it is cheaper, more reliable, and safer to scuttle a manned vehicle manually.
- somerandomqaguy 3y ago
  So... you're basing your opinion about machines used by soldiers in combat.... on fictional television shows? Just a question, have you ever worked with soldiers before?
- adhesive_wombat 3y ago
  Forget the suspensefully-narrated self destruct sequences, why has the Pentagon not invested in plot armour for every soldier? Make sure the uniforms aren't red and they can only die near series finales.

Terr_ 3y ago

So what? None of that wall-spaghetti supports an argument for keyed ignition locks as the solution. It's not like those Russian troops had just stepped away to get coffee. If anything, it suggests other things like: 1. Russia shouldn't have tried a desperate blitzkreig through muddy terrain. 2. The Russian military should have had better policies/equipment to destroy or scuttle the ofabandoned tanks. 3. Russian tank-drivers should have had better training so that they didn't get their vehicles stuck in embarrassing ways. Plus it's not like the opposing force will be a bunch of joyriding delinquents: Even if you completely remove your abandoned truck's steering-wheel and pedals, your way out, they've got mechanics and tools and factories, they can just fit their own. Truly denying them any valuable salvage is actually a lot of work/damage.

sleepybrett 3y ago

No fucking key is going to stop them from finding that tank in a field, towing it back to a farm behind friendly lines, and bypassing the fucking lock using a fucking hammer or a soldering iron.