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And despite being around for 30+ years it’s not broadly adopted despite a significant rise in car thefts.

vkou 3y ago
Is there actually a significant rise in car thefts? Or did we just hit an acute rise in car thefts of two particular models, caused by the discovery (Well, publication, really) that they are still using 30-year-old security?
- janalsncm 3y ago
  Good question, it seems like car theft is on the rise, yes. And it’s spiking in particular metro areas (Milwaukee, Chicago) more than average, although national trends are also up. https://counciloncj.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/CCJ%E2%80%93Crime-Trends-Year-End-2022-Word-for-PDF.pdf https://counciloncj.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/CCJ%E2%80...
  - andirk 3y ago
    In California, if youre car is stolen and then found, the cops will give you a fat ticket and tow your car and then give you a ticket for it getting towed. Somehow getting the car towed is also a ticket.
    - kid64 3y ago
      Yep. Shameless re-victimization.
      - andirk 3y ago
        Moving illegally parked cars for the myriad reasons it is necessary is completely understandable. The fuckery, though, is beyond the pale. It should be a fine of the cost of doing business of moving your piece and not a penny more. Instead it's a racket
- balder1991 3y ago
  Another question you can ask is was there any incentive before to not report car thefts?
- mywittyname 3y ago
  A salient issue has been that Hyundai/KIA didn't implement any anti-theft mechanisms on certain models, and recently the details about how to steal these cars has become popular knowledge, and now people who own the affected models can't even get insurance on them. There's been some other exploits to infotainment systems, but AFAIK, they are all limited to proof of concepts. And the radio-repeater that almost works occasionally on some cars with wireless key access (better implementations have proximity detection which prevents this attack vector). As it turns out, immobilizers are pretty damn effective. If I owned an effected Hyundai/KIA, I'd do like we all did with 90s cars and put a killswitch in. It's not professional car thieves hitting the bulk of these cars, but mostly bored people showing of. So if YT can't show them what to do if the car won't start, they will go away.
thriftwy 3y ago
In some countries, it is.
darau1 3y ago
I would say because of how it must be installed, and that it is probably not common knowledge. In my country, it is not unheard of, but I hadn't heard of it until my electrician mentioned seeing one on a car he worked on recently. I asked if he can install one for me, and he said he doesn't know how, nor did he know the name of the person that installed the one on the other car.

vkou 3y ago

Is there actually a significant rise in car thefts? Or did we just hit an acute rise in car thefts of two particular models, caused by the discovery (Well, publication, really) that they are still using 30-year-old security?

janalsncm 3y ago
Good question, it seems like car theft is on the rise, yes. And it’s spiking in particular metro areas (Milwaukee, Chicago) more than average, although national trends are also up. https://counciloncj.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/CCJ%E2%80%93Crime-Trends-Year-End-2022-Word-for-PDF.pdf https://counciloncj.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/CCJ%E2%80...
- andirk 3y ago
  In California, if youre car is stolen and then found, the cops will give you a fat ticket and tow your car and then give you a ticket for it getting towed. Somehow getting the car towed is also a ticket.
  - kid64 3y ago
    Yep. Shameless re-victimization.
    - andirk 3y ago
      Moving illegally parked cars for the myriad reasons it is necessary is completely understandable. The fuckery, though, is beyond the pale. It should be a fine of the cost of doing business of moving your piece and not a penny more. Instead it's a racket
balder1991 3y ago
Another question you can ask is was there any incentive before to not report car thefts?
mywittyname 3y ago
A salient issue has been that Hyundai/KIA didn't implement any anti-theft mechanisms on certain models, and recently the details about how to steal these cars has become popular knowledge, and now people who own the affected models can't even get insurance on them. There's been some other exploits to infotainment systems, but AFAIK, they are all limited to proof of concepts. And the radio-repeater that almost works occasionally on some cars with wireless key access (better implementations have proximity detection which prevents this attack vector). As it turns out, immobilizers are pretty damn effective. If I owned an effected Hyundai/KIA, I'd do like we all did with 90s cars and put a killswitch in. It's not professional car thieves hitting the bulk of these cars, but mostly bored people showing of. So if YT can't show them what to do if the car won't start, they will go away.

thriftwy 3y ago

In some countries, it is.

darau1 3y ago

I would say because of how it must be installed, and that it is probably not common knowledge. In my country, it is not unheard of, but I hadn't heard of it until my electrician mentioned seeing one on a car he worked on recently. I asked if he can install one for me, and he said he doesn't know how, nor did he know the name of the person that installed the one on the other car.