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This is more of what I said I don't care about. I don't care what you imagine the 15th-generation ancestors, of some minority of the living population, think.
by nh23423fefe 3y ago
This is more of what I said I don't care about. I don't care what you imagine the 15th-generation ancestors, of some minority of the living population, think.
I don't care if you want to blame someone else for "not implementing the obvious vision of the founders."
They aren't here and can't make any decisions for us that we couldn't better make ourselves. They aren't wiser than us.
Our present state isn't some deviation from their potential utopia. Their intentions are completely irrelevant. Comporting our behavior and desires with whatever someone might imagine they would want is nonsense.
- jojobaskins 3y agoYou're giving 0 credit where some is due. This is the other side of the extreme. Most government structures don't last that long, the fact that the one they made has lasted relatively in tact for a few hundred years means their ideas have some merit beyond the bounds of their time. Also I'm not sure who you mean by "us", the ruling class of today?
- nh23423fefe 3y agoI can't see what credit has to do with anything. Evaluating the quality of the government they created has nothing to do with us maintaining it. Its ours (the living) not theirs (the dead). We owe them nothing. Monarchy existed for 1000s of years. Longevity is irrelevant. It is never relevant who had the idea. Invoking the founders as a justification for anything is error. They are an arbitrary group of non-extants. Why are you trying to connect the two ideas.
- jojobaskins 3y agoI'm not really saying we owe them anything just that (some of) their ideas seem to work. I guess a few monarchies have lasted a while but centralizing all the power and leading with dogma is easier than coming to a group consensus. All I really want to say is don't throw out the baby with the bathwater...