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…until they express the wrong opinions.

by bluescrn 3y ago

sleepybrett 3y ago
Whats wrong about 'this extremely powerful business communication tool should have privacy features for it's users'
- google234123 3y ago
  I think they are referencing the foundation position in general, not this particular one. https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/we-need-more-than-deplatforming/ https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/we-need-more-than-deplat...
- bluescrn 3y ago
  It’s about the trend of using censorship/silencing as a solution for everything, of hiding from opposing viewpoints rather than countering bad ideas with reasoned debate (and simply not feeding the trolls) While a block button can have positive uses, you shouldn’t need one to deal with legitimate harassment in a corporate environment (you’ve got HR and disciplinary policies). And a collaboration tool will cease to serve its purpose if team members start arbitrarily blocking each other over petty disagreements. In non-corporate cases, well, there’s other collaboration tools you could use. And why is this a significant issue for Mozilla?
  - sleepybrett 3y ago
    I'm sorry, but having e2e encrypted dms in slack PROMOTES anti-censorship. Right now I literally have a second slack set up for just my team at work so we can have conversations without having to worry about our superiors looking over our shoulders via being able to read our DMs and 'private' channels.
    - neom 3y ago
      A trend I see in companies these days is once someone leaves, instead of deactivating the account they just change the password(/or the email). I've heard some really crazy stuff about managers laying off whole teams then changing a password and login in, reading the teams private channels after everyone was laid off.
      - sleepybrett 3y ago
        they can get access to private channels from their slack admin. Nothing is actually private from the admin, at least admins from paid enterprise style accounts.

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…until they express the wrong opinions.

by bluescrn 3y ago

…until they express the wrong opinions.

sleepybrett 3y ago
Whats wrong about 'this extremely powerful business communication tool should have privacy features for it's users'
- google234123 3y ago
  I think they are referencing the foundation position in general, not this particular one. https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/we-need-more-than-deplatforming/ https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/we-need-more-than-deplat...
- bluescrn 3y ago
  It’s about the trend of using censorship/silencing as a solution for everything, of hiding from opposing viewpoints rather than countering bad ideas with reasoned debate (and simply not feeding the trolls) While a block button can have positive uses, you shouldn’t need one to deal with legitimate harassment in a corporate environment (you’ve got HR and disciplinary policies). And a collaboration tool will cease to serve its purpose if team members start arbitrarily blocking each other over petty disagreements. In non-corporate cases, well, there’s other collaboration tools you could use. And why is this a significant issue for Mozilla?
  - sleepybrett 3y ago
    I'm sorry, but having e2e encrypted dms in slack PROMOTES anti-censorship. Right now I literally have a second slack set up for just my team at work so we can have conversations without having to worry about our superiors looking over our shoulders via being able to read our DMs and 'private' channels.
    - neom 3y ago
      A trend I see in companies these days is once someone leaves, instead of deactivating the account they just change the password(/or the email). I've heard some really crazy stuff about managers laying off whole teams then changing a password and login in, reading the teams private channels after everyone was laid off.
      - sleepybrett 3y ago
        they can get access to private channels from their slack admin. Nothing is actually private from the admin, at least admins from paid enterprise style accounts.