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We have 6.2 billion worth of extra war crime equipment available but couldn't afford a few extra bucks for firefighters. Is that better?

delfinom 3y ago
Eh, Ukraine is defending it's land from invaders that are actively genociding their population and aiming to exterminate their culture. I'm sorry but we must have war crimes confused.
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- willcipriano 3y ago
  Well pick whatever social program you want to implement and imagine it as cluster munitions leaving unexploded ordnance all over the place to kill and mutilate civilians, remaining dangerous long after the conflict is over, because that's what you picked instead.
  - nyokodo 3y ago
    > Well pick whatever social program you want to implement and imagine it as cluster munitions All the numbers thrown around about the lend lease program are military accounting and do not impose almost any actual costs to the US tax payer, basically just the cost of shipping which is minuscule compared to the Military budget let alone Entitlements. Therefore, the comparison of essentially military funny-money and actual Entitlement increases is just hyper-partisan nonsense.
- talldatethrow 3y ago
  This is just your poorly informed opinion, IMO. Many people think it is the exact opposite.
nyokodo 3y ago
> We have 6.2 billion worth of extra war crime equipment available We don't have $6.2B worth as it's military accounting value, not actual value. There are no buyers for this obsolete equipment apart from Ukraine, and no longer any use for the US military. The money put into the equipment is a sunken cost and the US Gov has to incur the ongoing cost of storage or decommissioning. This entire controversy is based on a seemingly willful misunderstanding of why the military gives obsolete equipment a monetary label and then an equivocation of that monetary value label with actual money.

delfinom 3y ago

Eh, Ukraine is defending it's land from invaders that are actively genociding their population and aiming to exterminate their culture. I'm sorry but we must have war crimes confused.

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willcipriano 3y ago
Well pick whatever social program you want to implement and imagine it as cluster munitions leaving unexploded ordnance all over the place to kill and mutilate civilians, remaining dangerous long after the conflict is over, because that's what you picked instead.
- nyokodo 3y ago
  > Well pick whatever social program you want to implement and imagine it as cluster munitions All the numbers thrown around about the lend lease program are military accounting and do not impose almost any actual costs to the US tax payer, basically just the cost of shipping which is minuscule compared to the Military budget let alone Entitlements. Therefore, the comparison of essentially military funny-money and actual Entitlement increases is just hyper-partisan nonsense.
talldatethrow 3y ago
This is just your poorly informed opinion, IMO. Many people think it is the exact opposite.

nyokodo 3y ago

> We have 6.2 billion worth of extra war crime equipment available We don't have $6.2B worth as it's military accounting value, not actual value. There are no buyers for this obsolete equipment apart from Ukraine, and no longer any use for the US military. The money put into the equipment is a sunken cost and the US Gov has to incur the ongoing cost of storage or decommissioning. This entire controversy is based on a seemingly willful misunderstanding of why the military gives obsolete equipment a monetary label and then an equivocation of that monetary value label with actual money.