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because The Old Way is universally better.

by w0m 3y ago

93po 3y ago
in this case it clearly is? i don't care about capitalism's ability to unethically try to manipulate me into giving it money. if it sucks for business owners then that's too bad - maybe they should do something different with their time.
- renewiltord 3y ago
  Yeah, well, that's where we differ. I think giving small business owners access to tools to show up in front of an audience that is interested in them is worthwhile while you believe almost all consumer products should be sold only by megaconglomerates who can afford large blocks of advertising. That's a pretty big difference in our viewpoints and while HN currently tends towards yours, I have no doubt that my objectives lead to a better world for consumers (and actually, non-consumers as well) than yours.
  - bigbillheck 3y ago
    How about the option in which there's still at most limited ads and we also break up all those big corporations into lots of little ones?
    - renewiltord 3y ago
      I don't think active management of company size works successfully. The enforcement division of any nation would be a significant portion of GDP. And what happens to products like the iPhone? After the ten thousandth iPhone, you're a $10 mm revenue company and someone else sells the next iPhone? I'm not convinced that's better for consumers and non-consumers.
  - manuelmoreale 3y ago
    Considering you make a very bold claim would you mind expanding on how you think your viewpoint is actually better?
  - 93po 3y ago
    > That's a pretty big difference in our viewpoints and while HN currently tends towards yours This is an interesting phenomenon no matter what the topic is - I experience it too. It's human nature to feel counter culture. I believe HN is pretty strongly pro-capitalism for reasons that are obvious due to the nature of the site. I don't think small business owners are innately more deserving of money. They still make money off the backs of others, just at smaller scales. Competition is important to make capitalism less sociopathic but small business owners aren't meaningfully competing with Amazon. Also to be clear, I think all advertising is unethical. It's a spectrum for sure though.

because The Old Way is universally better.

by w0m 3y ago

because The Old Way is universally better.

93po 3y ago

in this case it clearly is? i don't care about capitalism's ability to unethically try to manipulate me into giving it money. if it sucks for business owners then that's too bad - maybe they should do something different with their time.

renewiltord 3y ago
Yeah, well, that's where we differ. I think giving small business owners access to tools to show up in front of an audience that is interested in them is worthwhile while you believe almost all consumer products should be sold only by megaconglomerates who can afford large blocks of advertising. That's a pretty big difference in our viewpoints and while HN currently tends towards yours, I have no doubt that my objectives lead to a better world for consumers (and actually, non-consumers as well) than yours.
- bigbillheck 3y ago
  How about the option in which there's still at most limited ads and we also break up all those big corporations into lots of little ones?
  - renewiltord 3y ago
    I don't think active management of company size works successfully. The enforcement division of any nation would be a significant portion of GDP. And what happens to products like the iPhone? After the ten thousandth iPhone, you're a $10 mm revenue company and someone else sells the next iPhone? I'm not convinced that's better for consumers and non-consumers.
- manuelmoreale 3y ago
  Considering you make a very bold claim would you mind expanding on how you think your viewpoint is actually better?
- 93po 3y ago
  > That's a pretty big difference in our viewpoints and while HN currently tends towards yours This is an interesting phenomenon no matter what the topic is - I experience it too. It's human nature to feel counter culture. I believe HN is pretty strongly pro-capitalism for reasons that are obvious due to the nature of the site. I don't think small business owners are innately more deserving of money. They still make money off the backs of others, just at smaller scales. Competition is important to make capitalism less sociopathic but small business owners aren't meaningfully competing with Amazon. Also to be clear, I think all advertising is unethical. It's a spectrum for sure though.