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Same for Switzerland, the "blank storage fee": https://www.suisa.ch/en/Kunden/Weitere-Tarife/Herstellung--Import-von-Speichermedien.html https://www.suisa.ch/en

Same for Switzerland, the "blank storage fee": https://www.suisa.ch/en/Kunden/Weitere-Tarife/Herstellung--Import-von-Speichermedien.html https://www.suisa.ch/en/Kunden/Weitere-Tarife/Herstellung--I...

Gud 3y ago
In Switzerland though copying for personal use is legal - not so in Scandinavian countries
- daneel_w 3y ago
  > "In Switzerland though copying for personal use is legal - not so in Scandinavian countries" In Sweden it's legal. "Copying for private use" is excempt, and "private use" of such copy includes in the law's own words "family and one's closest friends". Literature is treated differently, allowing only partial copying instead of the complete print. I would be surprised if this wasn't harmonized across the Nordics, like most laws here are.
  - Gud 3y ago
    In Switzerland piracy(except software and games) for personal use is legal, not just copying to friends and family. In Sweden it is not allowed. Edit: to be clear: In Switzerland you can download movies legally without the consent of the copyright holder. In Sweden it is illegal.
    - daneel_w 3y ago
      You are plain wrong about Swedish law. I cannot state it any clearer: copying for private use is entirely legal for us, for both audio and video content, whether copied from broadcast, Internet or physical medium.
      - Gud 3y ago
        No, I am right. See point 7 & 8: https://www.prv.se/sv/upphovsratt/streama-lagligt/faq-upphovsratt-och-streaming/ https://www.prv.se/sv/upphovsratt/streama-lagligt/faq-upphov... https://www.svt.se/kultur/rattsexperten-det-far-du-gora-pa-internet#:~:text=Däremot%20är%20nedladdning%20ett%20brott,det%20får%20du%20inte%20göra https://www.svt.se/kultur/rattsexperten-det-far-du-gora-pa-i....
        daneel_w 3y ago
        The distinction is that of the piece being a "publically published work", which in Swedish law means the source as provided in official capacity - e.g. a CD/DVD/BluRay original, a radio/TV broadcast, or the author's (or copyright holder's) sanctioned Internet outlets etc. - compared to the copy being made from "inofficial/illicit" source. Swedish law states complete legality for the former. Pe-ri-od. Actual government-issued writs (as opposed to Googled third-party summaries): https://www.regeringen.se/rattsliga-dokument/statens-offentliga-utredningar/2022/04/sou-202220/ https://rkrattsbaser.gov.se/sfst?bet=1960:729
        Gud 3y ago
        It is disingenuous to call prv.se a third party source - PRV is the government agency responsible for immaterial rights. Or SVT.se for that matter, who are directly quoting a professor in Swedish law at Stockholm University. Please cite what exception to upphovsrättslagen that gives me the legal right to download movies online directly because I could not find the exception for personal use in the 10s of pages of law text you posted.
        daneel_w 3y ago
        First off, if you download content from an inofficial source you are not exercising your right to make private copies. See my previous response in this thread. What you ask for is right at the start of the document in the second link. Verket görs tillgängligt för allmänheten i följande fall: 1. När verket överförs till allmänheten. Detta sker när verket på trådbunden eller trådlös väg görs tillgängligt för allmänheten från en annan plats än den där allmänheten kan ta del av verket. Överföring till allmänheten innefattar överföring som sker på ett sådant sätt att enskilda kan få tillgång till verket från en plats och vid en tidpunkt som de själva väljer. ... Framställning av exemplar för privat bruk 12 § Var och en får för privat bruk framställa ett eller några få exemplar av offentliggjorda verk. Såvitt gäller litterära verk i skriftlig form får exemplarframställningen dock endast avse begränsade delar av verk eller sådana verk av begränsat omfång. Exemplaren får inte användas för andra ändamål än privat bruk. In legal debates this point has been clarified over and over. Swedish law does not concern itself with the technical difference between broadcasting video content on TV (or airing music on radio) and making the same content available over the Internet in streamed or downloadable form. When the rights holder makes the piece accessible to the public, through whatever distribution channel, you are permitted to copy it from the same channel for private use.

Gud 3y ago

In Switzerland though copying for personal use is legal - not so in Scandinavian countries

daneel_w 3y ago
> "In Switzerland though copying for personal use is legal - not so in Scandinavian countries" In Sweden it's legal. "Copying for private use" is excempt, and "private use" of such copy includes in the law's own words "family and one's closest friends". Literature is treated differently, allowing only partial copying instead of the complete print. I would be surprised if this wasn't harmonized across the Nordics, like most laws here are.
- Gud 3y ago
  In Switzerland piracy(except software and games) for personal use is legal, not just copying to friends and family. In Sweden it is not allowed. Edit: to be clear: In Switzerland you can download movies legally without the consent of the copyright holder. In Sweden it is illegal.
  - daneel_w 3y ago
    You are plain wrong about Swedish law. I cannot state it any clearer: copying for private use is entirely legal for us, for both audio and video content, whether copied from broadcast, Internet or physical medium.
    - Gud 3y ago
      No, I am right. See point 7 & 8: https://www.prv.se/sv/upphovsratt/streama-lagligt/faq-upphovsratt-och-streaming/ https://www.prv.se/sv/upphovsratt/streama-lagligt/faq-upphov... https://www.svt.se/kultur/rattsexperten-det-far-du-gora-pa-internet#:~:text=Däremot%20är%20nedladdning%20ett%20brott,det%20får%20du%20inte%20göra https://www.svt.se/kultur/rattsexperten-det-far-du-gora-pa-i....
      - daneel_w 3y ago
        The distinction is that of the piece being a "publically published work", which in Swedish law means the source as provided in official capacity - e.g. a CD/DVD/BluRay original, a radio/TV broadcast, or the author's (or copyright holder's) sanctioned Internet outlets etc. - compared to the copy being made from "inofficial/illicit" source. Swedish law states complete legality for the former. Pe-ri-od. Actual government-issued writs (as opposed to Googled third-party summaries): https://www.regeringen.se/rattsliga-dokument/statens-offentliga-utredningar/2022/04/sou-202220/ https://rkrattsbaser.gov.se/sfst?bet=1960:729
        Gud 3y ago
        It is disingenuous to call prv.se a third party source - PRV is the government agency responsible for immaterial rights. Or SVT.se for that matter, who are directly quoting a professor in Swedish law at Stockholm University. Please cite what exception to upphovsrättslagen that gives me the legal right to download movies online directly because I could not find the exception for personal use in the 10s of pages of law text you posted.
        daneel_w 3y ago
        First off, if you download content from an inofficial source you are not exercising your right to make private copies. See my previous response in this thread. What you ask for is right at the start of the document in the second link. Verket görs tillgängligt för allmänheten i följande fall: 1. När verket överförs till allmänheten. Detta sker när verket på trådbunden eller trådlös väg görs tillgängligt för allmänheten från en annan plats än den där allmänheten kan ta del av verket. Överföring till allmänheten innefattar överföring som sker på ett sådant sätt att enskilda kan få tillgång till verket från en plats och vid en tidpunkt som de själva väljer. ... Framställning av exemplar för privat bruk 12 § Var och en får för privat bruk framställa ett eller några få exemplar av offentliggjorda verk. Såvitt gäller litterära verk i skriftlig form får exemplarframställningen dock endast avse begränsade delar av verk eller sådana verk av begränsat omfång. Exemplaren får inte användas för andra ändamål än privat bruk. In legal debates this point has been clarified over and over. Swedish law does not concern itself with the technical difference between broadcasting video content on TV (or airing music on radio) and making the same content available over the Internet in streamed or downloadable form. When the rights holder makes the piece accessible to the public, through whatever distribution channel, you are permitted to copy it from the same channel for private use.