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We need a Journal of Medicore Results, or a Journal of Tried it and it Didn't Work. As with social media and society in general, only the most inflated of head

We need a Journal of Medicore Results, or a Journal of Tried it and it Didn't Work. As with social media and society in general, only the most inflated of headlines gets attention causing the gold rush of hyped up results. Nothing can be published without the hype and hyperbole, which then sets the benchmark for the next round of hype.

xkcd1963 3y ago
You say it as if that is something that should be accepted.
- willis936 3y ago
  Is their desire to change it not evidence that they don't accept it? What they want is a real solution rather than to simply complain about the problem while doing nothing (which is closer to acceptance).
fn-mote 3y ago
> We need a Journal of Medicore Results, or a Journal of Tried it and it Didn't Work. Publication in this journal would be used as evidence against lawsuits. Cigarette companies paid for studies designed to produce no conclusive evidence. I don't see this as a route to progress. What if all you did wrong was follow the wrong process? The bacteria grows better at 10C than 30C. This journal would be full of results by fools and charlatans. The inclusion criteria would have to be much more complex for it to be useful.
- Vaslo 3y ago
  Former chemist here. I disagree - you try many many reactions that fail. It would be good to just see what was tried so you can 1) see what was tried so you can change the conditions and try again or 2) avoid an approach altogether. I joke in many of the forums here about making The journal of Failed Chemistry. But I am very serious about saving time so 10 different PhD candidates don’t waste the same time I did.
  - thomastjeffery 3y ago
    Better yet, your documented "failure" may be an unknown path to "success" in someone else's research context. This would basically be the same as caching the results of a brute-force attack; except instead of trying to break the entropy of encryption, we are trying to unravel the entropy of chemistry and physics.
- ryanmcbride 3y ago
  Bad actors will act bad in any environment in which they're able
mplanchard 3y ago
There are already a number of these: searching for “journal of negative results” turns up several

xkcd1963 3y ago

You say it as if that is something that should be accepted.

willis936 3y ago
Is their desire to change it not evidence that they don't accept it? What they want is a real solution rather than to simply complain about the problem while doing nothing (which is closer to acceptance).

fn-mote 3y ago

> We need a Journal of Medicore Results, or a Journal of Tried it and it Didn't Work. Publication in this journal would be used as evidence against lawsuits. Cigarette companies paid for studies designed to produce no conclusive evidence. I don't see this as a route to progress. What if all you did wrong was follow the wrong process? The bacteria grows better at 10C than 30C. This journal would be full of results by fools and charlatans. The inclusion criteria would have to be much more complex for it to be useful.

Vaslo 3y ago
Former chemist here. I disagree - you try many many reactions that fail. It would be good to just see what was tried so you can 1) see what was tried so you can change the conditions and try again or 2) avoid an approach altogether. I joke in many of the forums here about making The journal of Failed Chemistry. But I am very serious about saving time so 10 different PhD candidates don’t waste the same time I did.
- thomastjeffery 3y ago
  Better yet, your documented "failure" may be an unknown path to "success" in someone else's research context. This would basically be the same as caching the results of a brute-force attack; except instead of trying to break the entropy of encryption, we are trying to unravel the entropy of chemistry and physics.
ryanmcbride 3y ago
Bad actors will act bad in any environment in which they're able

mplanchard 3y ago

There are already a number of these: searching for “journal of negative results” turns up several