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Maybe they shouldn’t have invested money on land that was literally stolen from another country. Sucks to be them.

by _kbh_ 3y ago

euroderf 3y ago
There's not-dissimilar cases moving thru American courts.
- Giorgi 3y ago
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  - red-iron-pine 3y ago
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- euroderf 3y ago
  Yes I refer of course to suits brought by Native American tribes.
sacnoradhq 3y ago
In high school many moons ago, I had a history/economics teacher who did a Master's thesis on the (original) Crimean War. He predicted in ~1995 that post-Soviet Russia would annex Crimea and it would lead to another regional war. Unfortunately, the Crimean War was the Russian Empire's Afghanistan/Vietnam War. One can only hope that history repeats itself because the only workable offramp is one were Russia concedes. That may take months to years to never.
gdy 3y ago
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- _kbh_ 3y ago
  > Yes, Crimea was stolen in 1954, but in 2014 it reunited with Russia. I see your back with your delusions. How exactly did the USSR which had control of Crimea exactly steal Crimea from itself, to give it to a part of itself?. Don't worry the terrorist occupiers in Crimea will be removed soon enough.
  - gdy 3y ago
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    - _kbh_ 3y ago
      > It was stolen from the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic and 'gifted' to the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic by a man [0] who used to the head of Ukrainian Communist party before becoming the leader of the USSR. So what you're saying it was transferred from one state to another by the head of that state, under the laws and rules of the state at the time?. Nothing was stolen, you're just mad of Russias past actions. "stolen from the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic" That's quite a frivolous use of the word 'stolen' devoiding it of any meaning besides 'bad!!!!!!!!1'.
      - gdy 3y ago
        You are confusing the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.
        chrysler 3y ago
        In a totalitarian one-party state without a separation of powers, that's a distinction without a difference.
        gdy 3y ago
        The difference is quite obvious -- RSFSR was about half of the USSR's population.
        chrysler 3y ago
        Doesn't make any practical difference. Soviet "republics" were as independent as Reichskommissariat Niederlande. Internal borders were freely redrawn and native populations resettled to satisfy Soviet colonial policies. If you want to start settling old scores and reversing "historical injustices", you can demonstrate good faith by giving Estonia back the 5% of its territory that is still occupied by Russia. Not to mention China's grievances about "humiliations" and "injustices" regarding the Russian Far East.
- sneed_chucker 3y ago
  Crimea was ethnically cleansed of its original inhabitants and forcefully repopulated with ethnic Russians in the 1940s. That's a little detail that people like you seemed to conveniently leave out. I guess it just blends in with all the other ethnic cleansing and genocide that the Russian chauvinist USSR and Russian Empire before it undertook. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportation_of_the_Crimean_Tatars https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportation_of_the_Crimean_T...
  - gdy 3y ago
    How exactly does that make Crimea Ukrainian? "people like you" What's that supposed to mean? "it just blends in with all the other ethnic cleansing and genocide" It's ironic to hear that from a citizen of the United States. I heard something bad happened to Native Americans who used to live in North America.
- dang 3y ago
  Edit: I took a closer look, and it turns out that you've been posting abusively to HN for quite some time and using the site primarily for battle and flamewar. I've therefore banned this account. Please don't create accounts to break HN's rules with. --- original comment below --- I understand that these are passion-activating topics and that a war is being fought over them right now. Still, it's not ok to take HN threads into hellish flamewars, so please don't do this here. HN is for curious conversation on topics of intellectual interest. That requires thoughtfulness, respect for others, and even a certain playfulness. If you're not in that state about a topic, please don't post on that topic for the time being. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - undefinedland 3y ago
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  - gdy 3y ago
    Too bad. I find my comments quite informative and intellectually interesting.
    - dang 3y ago
      It isn't a problem that you've been arguing for views that aren't in the majority here—as moderators we're interested in protecting minority views. The problem is that you've been doing it so aggressively, without considering the intended use of the site, or the guidelines that we ask people to follow.
      - gdy 3y ago
        True -- there are some comments I'm not proud of. At the same time I'm not sure where exactly contradicting someone ends and 'battle and flamewar' starts.
        dang 3y ago
        All I can tell you is that I spend tons of time interacting with commenters, trying to help people understand that line (https://news.ycombinator.com/posts?id=dang https://news.ycombinator.com/posts?id=dang). It looks like that has included multiple explanations to you over the years: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32759008 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32759008 (Sept 2022) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21932634 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21932634 (Jan 2020) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20456414 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20456414 (July 2019) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18991797 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18991797 (Jan 2019) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18984737 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18984737 (Jan 2019) I've posted thousands of explanations like that. The reason is not just to persuade/explain to individual commenters, but also to give everybody else a sense of where the lines are. My sense is that if someone really wants to grok the intended spirit and make a good faith attempt to follow HN's guidelines, it's not that hard to do. Sometimes, though, people take the more obstreperous approach of "I don't agree with your rules and I don't see why I should follow them" (<-- I'm not quoting anyone specifically and I'm not imputing this attitude to you). In those cases, arguing about where the lines are doesn't help, and ultimately we don't have much choice but to ban such accounts. Often they then say "you're just banning me because you don't like my views", but that rarely has anything to do with it. Some of this is cultural, meaning some people have a greater distance to "travel" behaviorally in order to fit the culture here. That may not be fair but there's not much we can do about it; there is a culture here that we're trying to foster, and that's only possible if commenters abide by it.
overforukies 3y ago
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Maybe they shouldn’t have invested money on land that was literally stolen from another country. Sucks to be them.

by _kbh_ 3y ago

Maybe they shouldn’t have invested money on land that was literally stolen from another country. Sucks to be them.

euroderf 3y ago

There's not-dissimilar cases moving thru American courts.

Giorgi 3y ago
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- red-iron-pine 3y ago
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euroderf 3y ago
Yes I refer of course to suits brought by Native American tribes.

sacnoradhq 3y ago

In high school many moons ago, I had a history/economics teacher who did a Master's thesis on the (original) Crimean War. He predicted in ~1995 that post-Soviet Russia would annex Crimea and it would lead to another regional war. Unfortunately, the Crimean War was the Russian Empire's Afghanistan/Vietnam War. One can only hope that history repeats itself because the only workable offramp is one were Russia concedes. That may take months to years to never.

gdy 3y ago

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_kbh_ 3y ago
> Yes, Crimea was stolen in 1954, but in 2014 it reunited with Russia. I see your back with your delusions. How exactly did the USSR which had control of Crimea exactly steal Crimea from itself, to give it to a part of itself?. Don't worry the terrorist occupiers in Crimea will be removed soon enough.
- gdy 3y ago
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  - _kbh_ 3y ago
    > It was stolen from the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic and 'gifted' to the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic by a man [0] who used to the head of Ukrainian Communist party before becoming the leader of the USSR. So what you're saying it was transferred from one state to another by the head of that state, under the laws and rules of the state at the time?. Nothing was stolen, you're just mad of Russias past actions. "stolen from the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic" That's quite a frivolous use of the word 'stolen' devoiding it of any meaning besides 'bad!!!!!!!!1'.
    - gdy 3y ago
      You are confusing the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.
      - chrysler 3y ago
        In a totalitarian one-party state without a separation of powers, that's a distinction without a difference.
        gdy 3y ago
        The difference is quite obvious -- RSFSR was about half of the USSR's population.
        chrysler 3y ago
        Doesn't make any practical difference. Soviet "republics" were as independent as Reichskommissariat Niederlande. Internal borders were freely redrawn and native populations resettled to satisfy Soviet colonial policies. If you want to start settling old scores and reversing "historical injustices", you can demonstrate good faith by giving Estonia back the 5% of its territory that is still occupied by Russia. Not to mention China's grievances about "humiliations" and "injustices" regarding the Russian Far East.
sneed_chucker 3y ago
Crimea was ethnically cleansed of its original inhabitants and forcefully repopulated with ethnic Russians in the 1940s. That's a little detail that people like you seemed to conveniently leave out. I guess it just blends in with all the other ethnic cleansing and genocide that the Russian chauvinist USSR and Russian Empire before it undertook. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportation_of_the_Crimean_Tatars https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportation_of_the_Crimean_T...
- gdy 3y ago
  How exactly does that make Crimea Ukrainian? "people like you" What's that supposed to mean? "it just blends in with all the other ethnic cleansing and genocide" It's ironic to hear that from a citizen of the United States. I heard something bad happened to Native Americans who used to live in North America.
dang 3y ago
Edit: I took a closer look, and it turns out that you've been posting abusively to HN for quite some time and using the site primarily for battle and flamewar. I've therefore banned this account. Please don't create accounts to break HN's rules with. --- original comment below --- I understand that these are passion-activating topics and that a war is being fought over them right now. Still, it's not ok to take HN threads into hellish flamewars, so please don't do this here. HN is for curious conversation on topics of intellectual interest. That requires thoughtfulness, respect for others, and even a certain playfulness. If you're not in that state about a topic, please don't post on that topic for the time being. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- undefinedland 3y ago
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- gdy 3y ago
  Too bad. I find my comments quite informative and intellectually interesting.
  - dang 3y ago
    It isn't a problem that you've been arguing for views that aren't in the majority here—as moderators we're interested in protecting minority views. The problem is that you've been doing it so aggressively, without considering the intended use of the site, or the guidelines that we ask people to follow.
    - gdy 3y ago
      True -- there are some comments I'm not proud of. At the same time I'm not sure where exactly contradicting someone ends and 'battle and flamewar' starts.
      - dang 3y ago
        All I can tell you is that I spend tons of time interacting with commenters, trying to help people understand that line (https://news.ycombinator.com/posts?id=dang https://news.ycombinator.com/posts?id=dang). It looks like that has included multiple explanations to you over the years: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32759008 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32759008 (Sept 2022) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21932634 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21932634 (Jan 2020) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20456414 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20456414 (July 2019) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18991797 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18991797 (Jan 2019) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18984737 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18984737 (Jan 2019) I've posted thousands of explanations like that. The reason is not just to persuade/explain to individual commenters, but also to give everybody else a sense of where the lines are. My sense is that if someone really wants to grok the intended spirit and make a good faith attempt to follow HN's guidelines, it's not that hard to do. Sometimes, though, people take the more obstreperous approach of "I don't agree with your rules and I don't see why I should follow them" (<-- I'm not quoting anyone specifically and I'm not imputing this attitude to you). In those cases, arguing about where the lines are doesn't help, and ultimately we don't have much choice but to ban such accounts. Often they then say "you're just banning me because you don't like my views", but that rarely has anything to do with it. Some of this is cultural, meaning some people have a greater distance to "travel" behaviorally in order to fit the culture here. That may not be fair but there's not much we can do about it; there is a culture here that we're trying to foster, and that's only possible if commenters abide by it.

overforukies 3y ago

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