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LazyVim got me back into vim. After years of custom configs and/or heavily editing lunarvim and nvChad I was getting a bit burnt out but decided to give lazyVim

LazyVim got me back into vim. After years of custom configs and/or heavily editing lunarvim and nvChad I was getting a bit burnt out but decided to give lazyVim a try, and I was absolutely blown away. For the first time a vim setup actually felt like a real IDE. It took about 60 seconds to go from having lazyvim installed to having a fully functional IDE that I could use at work in a real environment. That's the same amount of effort it would have taken me to set up a fresh install of vs code with whatever plug-ins I wanted. If you've ever been put off by the complexity and setup of nvChad or lunarVim, then I highly suggest giving lazyvim (or astrovim, its similar but with more "batteries included") a try

majkinetor 3y ago
I don't buy it. I have so many custom little quirks that no ammount of integrated out of the box setup is gonna replace it in 60s. Thats unrealistic. I believe its good, but it must be for certain class of working habits (for example, its probably great for those people that use vanilla anything, including vim).
- wrapperup 3y ago
  Agreed. Back then, I tried to get into neovim with packer and a ton of plugins, then tried AstroVim and stuff broke all the time. Went back to vscode. I tried it again about half a year ago with a much leaner, custom lazy (plugin manager, not LazyVim) setup, and now it's my main IDE for everything except C++ (clangd sucks, sorry) It took me less than a day to get a decent config, and now I rarely touch it (occasionally there may be a nice plugin to throw in). Config is about 2-300 lines, with LSP (rust, typescript), harpoon, oil.nvim telescope, etc. Works great.
  - senkora 3y ago
    What do you use for C++? I was planning to integrate clangd into my setup soon.
    - roland35 3y ago
      I've had a good experience with ccls, although to be honest I haven't really compared it with clangd so I can't say if it is actually any better!
    - wrapperup 3y ago
      I use 10x editor, Rider/Clion
  - BlackjackCF 3y ago
    I had the same issues with AstroVim when it was first coming together. Looks like the creator was rapidly iterating to try and make it easier to configure. It’s now in a stable enough state that I haven’t had any issues.
- altonas 3y ago
  That's the thing, I absolutely don't want to do a bunch of tiny tweaks. I want to write (react) code. For me personally I feel like tweaking an IDE gets in the way of that. Yet I can take a clean install of lazyvim, use mason to install the react language server, and install copilot, and then I can immediately start working. And so that's what I actually do, and I find that to be much more pleasant (and lightweight) than other IDEs like VS code.
  - majkinetor 3y ago
    Then you musta accept suboptimal UX. Its one way to live your life.
    - altonas 3y ago
      Can you actually explain how it's suboptimal UX, and what I could be doing better. I want a simple IDE, not suboptimal bloat. I don't need 200 keybinds to make a vue component. Just because you have a bunch of custom quirks doesn't mean that I do.
      - majkinetor 3y ago
        Any time somebody else creates something instead of you, it must be accepted as suboptimal. We are all unique human beeings and have different kinds of habits and disfunctions, levels of knowledge etc. so 1 setup for all is pretty much impossible and nobody else can do it but you. Any time you accept that, you are accepting suboptimal UX. If you are doing so you are admiting that you are either lazy, or you are good with your potential being maxed out at that point (if you are accepting anything less then most efficent workflow, given that time is the most precious resource). Actually, when I look at how most of my colegues are slow using their tools of choice, even senior ones, I imagine I would rather kill myself then using such setup.
        Sakos 3y ago
        Or rather it's a matter of trade-offs and some things are just "good enough". It's not up to you what's good enough for him or me, especially weighed against the amount of effort I might have to invest to get something that's "optimal" for me.
ziftface 3y ago
That's interesting to me since I've been using close-to-vanilla lunarvim for the past year and it's been great. I'm just not into customizing my editor much, and only touch my config when I'm annoyed by something. This seems to be your goal as well. Can I ask then what makes lazyvim easier or quicker to set up how you want?
- altonas 3y ago
  I found lunarvim to just not work that well for web development out of the box (if I tried doing anything past vanilla JS), and I have no interest in learning about lunarvim specific things like the lvim global object to be able to tweak it.
  - dngray 3y ago
    100% and I dislike having two vim configurations to maintain which is why they also have https://github.com/LunarVim/nvim-basic-ide https://github.com/LunarVim/nvim-basic-ide With LazyVim I basically got rid of the both, and now my vim config is literally a few overrides https://www.lazyvim.org/configuration/general https://www.lazyvim.org/configuration/general that are not distribution specific at all.
conaclos 3y ago
The last version [0] of nvChad uses also lazy.nvim under the hood. I am not sure how this could help in your case. [0] https://github.com/NvChad/NvChad/releases/tag/v2.0 https://github.com/NvChad/NvChad/releases/tag/v2.0
_blz2 3y ago
lazyvim is the package/plugin manager and LazyVim is the distro
- cosmojg 3y ago
  Correction: lazy.nvim is the package/plugin manager

majkinetor 3y ago

I don't buy it. I have so many custom little quirks that no ammount of integrated out of the box setup is gonna replace it in 60s. Thats unrealistic. I believe its good, but it must be for certain class of working habits (for example, its probably great for those people that use vanilla anything, including vim).

wrapperup 3y ago
Agreed. Back then, I tried to get into neovim with packer and a ton of plugins, then tried AstroVim and stuff broke all the time. Went back to vscode. I tried it again about half a year ago with a much leaner, custom lazy (plugin manager, not LazyVim) setup, and now it's my main IDE for everything except C++ (clangd sucks, sorry) It took me less than a day to get a decent config, and now I rarely touch it (occasionally there may be a nice plugin to throw in). Config is about 2-300 lines, with LSP (rust, typescript), harpoon, oil.nvim telescope, etc. Works great.
- senkora 3y ago
  What do you use for C++? I was planning to integrate clangd into my setup soon.
  - roland35 3y ago
    I've had a good experience with ccls, although to be honest I haven't really compared it with clangd so I can't say if it is actually any better!
  - wrapperup 3y ago
    I use 10x editor, Rider/Clion
- BlackjackCF 3y ago
  I had the same issues with AstroVim when it was first coming together. Looks like the creator was rapidly iterating to try and make it easier to configure. It’s now in a stable enough state that I haven’t had any issues.
altonas 3y ago
That's the thing, I absolutely don't want to do a bunch of tiny tweaks. I want to write (react) code. For me personally I feel like tweaking an IDE gets in the way of that. Yet I can take a clean install of lazyvim, use mason to install the react language server, and install copilot, and then I can immediately start working. And so that's what I actually do, and I find that to be much more pleasant (and lightweight) than other IDEs like VS code.
- majkinetor 3y ago
  Then you musta accept suboptimal UX. Its one way to live your life.
  - altonas 3y ago
    Can you actually explain how it's suboptimal UX, and what I could be doing better. I want a simple IDE, not suboptimal bloat. I don't need 200 keybinds to make a vue component. Just because you have a bunch of custom quirks doesn't mean that I do.
    - majkinetor 3y ago
      Any time somebody else creates something instead of you, it must be accepted as suboptimal. We are all unique human beeings and have different kinds of habits and disfunctions, levels of knowledge etc. so 1 setup for all is pretty much impossible and nobody else can do it but you. Any time you accept that, you are accepting suboptimal UX. If you are doing so you are admiting that you are either lazy, or you are good with your potential being maxed out at that point (if you are accepting anything less then most efficent workflow, given that time is the most precious resource). Actually, when I look at how most of my colegues are slow using their tools of choice, even senior ones, I imagine I would rather kill myself then using such setup.
      - Sakos 3y ago
        Or rather it's a matter of trade-offs and some things are just "good enough". It's not up to you what's good enough for him or me, especially weighed against the amount of effort I might have to invest to get something that's "optimal" for me.

ziftface 3y ago

That's interesting to me since I've been using close-to-vanilla lunarvim for the past year and it's been great. I'm just not into customizing my editor much, and only touch my config when I'm annoyed by something. This seems to be your goal as well. Can I ask then what makes lazyvim easier or quicker to set up how you want?

altonas 3y ago
I found lunarvim to just not work that well for web development out of the box (if I tried doing anything past vanilla JS), and I have no interest in learning about lunarvim specific things like the lvim global object to be able to tweak it.
- dngray 3y ago
  100% and I dislike having two vim configurations to maintain which is why they also have https://github.com/LunarVim/nvim-basic-ide https://github.com/LunarVim/nvim-basic-ide With LazyVim I basically got rid of the both, and now my vim config is literally a few overrides https://www.lazyvim.org/configuration/general https://www.lazyvim.org/configuration/general that are not distribution specific at all.

conaclos 3y ago

The last version [0] of nvChad uses also lazy.nvim under the hood. I am not sure how this could help in your case. [0] https://github.com/NvChad/NvChad/releases/tag/v2.0 https://github.com/NvChad/NvChad/releases/tag/v2.0

_blz2 3y ago

lazyvim is the package/plugin manager and LazyVim is the distro

cosmojg 3y ago
Correction: lazy.nvim is the package/plugin manager