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This is so paternalistic. You know what I love? Identifying plants, looking things up and reading ebooks. I don’t take many pictures, but I appreciate having t

by nicbou 3y ago

This is so paternalistic. You know what I love? Identifying plants, looking things up and reading ebooks. I don’t take many pictures, but I appreciate having them as a way to situate an experience in time. I am fine with this way of using technology in nature. Let me enjoy nature how I damn please. My experience is valid too. You do you, I do me.

skellyclock 3y ago
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leipert 3y ago
> For those apprehensive about giving up their devices, the “digital fasting” is entirely voluntary – the island has a fully functioning mobile network.
- nicbou 3y ago
  Then there is no story
  - cinntaile 3y ago
    It riled you up, marketing strategy perfectly executed.
    - nicbou 3y ago
      Yep. http://www.paulgraham.com/submarine.html http://www.paulgraham.com/submarine.html
- josephcsible 3y ago
  Can't you voluntarily choose to not use a phone anywhere? What makes this island special then?
  - eesmith 3y ago
    It's a publicity stunt, like how Sommarøy a few year back declared it was the world’s first time-free zone. https://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/norway-sommaroy-island-publicity-stunt/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/norway-sommaroy-islan...
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totallywrong 3y ago
So go to literally anywhere else in the planet. This is a great idea I really hope it sets a trend.
- dumpsterdiver 3y ago
  Right? We're so sorry that you can't stand the thought of other people not being on their phones in order to find out what plant they are looking at, but there really is a very simple solution. Don't go there, and don't be one of those people looking at those plants.
  - nicbou 3y ago
    You write as if I'm foaming at the mouth typing this. I'm using the comments section to comment about something. I think it's dumb and I won't think about it ever again. In any case it's not actually phone-free, just a publicity stunt.
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    - dumpsterdiver 3y ago
      The way that I phrased my comment was a little rude. I apologize. I was meaning to agree with the parent poster, but in doing so I was uncharitable with my interpretation of your comment. I shouldn't have taken such a dismissive attitude, that doesn't really help anything.
- trompetenaccoun 3y ago
  They put a sticker on people's devices and ask them top pretty please not use them. Anyone can still go there and use their phones as much as they like. It's another social advertising campaign by 'Parks and Wildlife Finland', intended to be spread around internet forums and social media. Doesn't cost them anything, it's a clever idea. And some food for thought, you'd never know about it if you weren't online, nor would you ever have heard of this random island. Of which Finland has hundreds of similar ones.
AlbertCory 3y ago
You can do you at almost every place on the planet. Why can't there be one place where you don't choose to go?
- gyulai 3y ago
  The converse is also true: If someone likes to be without phone, couldn't they go literally anywhere on the planet, and just choose to leave their phone at home without that place they're going to officially encouraging them to do so? Or is it about the disturbance caused by other people using their phones? ...or maybe to have a plausible story to tell the people who tried to reach you? ("Sorry you couldn't reach me at the weekend, boss, I was at this island in Finland where ...").
  - kristiandupont 3y ago
    I can't speak to GP but I would definitely say that phones everywhere are a nuisance. Google "Ruined by Instagram" for plenty of lists. I think this is a lovely initiative and I think it would be great if it could cause a bit of a trend.
    - strken 3y ago
      The nice thing about places that were supposedly ruined by Instagram is that most of them were already overcrowded and boring anyway. As an Australian it's hilarious to talk to tourists and hear they're going to get a bus from Melbourne to the 12 Apostles and back, which is an 8 hour round trip, but aren't planning to spend time at the rest of the spectacularly beautiful coastline or national parks in between. The most popular tourist destinations all seem to be like that: you go there to cross them off the list even though comparably beautiful and much less popular attractions are nearby, for the sake of going somewhere recognisable. There's nothing wrong with going to a few well known spots in a holiday, but if you just go straight from tourist trap to tourist trap you'll miss all the most enjoyable things.
Amiable5326 3y ago
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- tired-turtle 3y ago
  In your moral framework, am I allowed to use my smartphone when I’m out trail running? Caltopo has helped me not get lost on long loops where turning around isn’t an option.
- mulmen 3y ago
  Pro tip: if you start a statement with "no offense but" that is an admission that you know what comes next is offensive.
  - Mashimo 3y ago
    No offense, but I like dogs.
    - _hush_ 3y ago
      This is super offensive!!
      - NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
        No offense, but that soccer team just can't score any goals!
- midoridensha 3y ago
  >... a lot of the problems we have in the West is ... obvious that smartphones are terrible for people especially when they are trying to relax in nature. Over here in the Far East, everyone has a phone with them, whether they're in the city or up in the mountains enjoying nature. If you get attacked by a bear or have some other emergency, not having a phone means you'll probably die, so not carrying one is a good way to get a Darwin Award. So weird when people try to blame things on "the West".
UberFly 3y ago
Your response sounds rebellious-teen juvenile. The place isn't meant for you then obviously. No one's telling you to clean your room.
- dumpsterdiver 3y ago
  When you make belittling comments like you just did, it really takes away from your point. It wasn't necessary to lower the conversation into name calling (i.e. rebellious-teen juvenile). You could have made your point without lashing out.
- ffhhttt 3y ago
  To be fair this is just a marketing campaign some people on this thread seem to be taking way to seriously for some reason…
- nicbou 3y ago
  This can be a pleasant community if you follow the guidelines and avoid this sort of name-calling. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
solardev 3y ago
Soooo... don't go there?
- beebeepka 3y ago
  No, no, no. That's too paternalistic. The poster has to identify plants, and maybe take pictures with their zombie phone. Do they also use their device to block stairs or crosswalks? If their first reaction to this was "but I need it", then maybe.
- klyrs 3y ago
  It's like that time my mom bought a VIP ticket to a Drake show so she could talk to him afterwards and tell him to his face that she doesn't much care for rap music. (this anecdote is a complete fabrication but I had fun writing it)
  - dumpsterdiver 3y ago
    (your mom) "Drake! I don't appreciate your music." (Drake) "Oh, I'm... sorry." (your mom, nodding emphatically) "I came here to give you a piece of my mind. I paid $740 to get me and my children in here so I can say this to your face." (Drake, nodding) "Madam, please... it is your right." (your mom) "Well I didn't like it! I don't like any of your music!" (Drake, nodding again) "Ma'am, I'm not sure I like it either. I'm just selling records here."
- nicbou 3y ago
  The point of a comment system is to discuss the content of an article. This is what I did. The likelihood of me going there either way is pretty small.
  - solardev 3y ago
    Sure. We're discussing it. We just don't agree with you.
lost_tourist 3y ago
So don't go to the island?

by nicbou 3y ago

skellyclock 3y ago

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leipert 3y ago

> For those apprehensive about giving up their devices, the “digital fasting” is entirely voluntary – the island has a fully functioning mobile network.

nicbou 3y ago
Then there is no story
- cinntaile 3y ago
  It riled you up, marketing strategy perfectly executed.
  - nicbou 3y ago
    Yep. http://www.paulgraham.com/submarine.html http://www.paulgraham.com/submarine.html
josephcsible 3y ago
Can't you voluntarily choose to not use a phone anywhere? What makes this island special then?
- eesmith 3y ago
  It's a publicity stunt, like how Sommarøy a few year back declared it was the world’s first time-free zone. https://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/norway-sommaroy-island-publicity-stunt/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/norway-sommaroy-islan...

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totallywrong 3y ago

So go to literally anywhere else in the planet. This is a great idea I really hope it sets a trend.

dumpsterdiver 3y ago
Right? We're so sorry that you can't stand the thought of other people not being on their phones in order to find out what plant they are looking at, but there really is a very simple solution. Don't go there, and don't be one of those people looking at those plants.
- nicbou 3y ago
  You write as if I'm foaming at the mouth typing this. I'm using the comments section to comment about something. I think it's dumb and I won't think about it ever again. In any case it's not actually phone-free, just a publicity stunt.
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  - dumpsterdiver 3y ago
    The way that I phrased my comment was a little rude. I apologize. I was meaning to agree with the parent poster, but in doing so I was uncharitable with my interpretation of your comment. I shouldn't have taken such a dismissive attitude, that doesn't really help anything.
trompetenaccoun 3y ago
They put a sticker on people's devices and ask them top pretty please not use them. Anyone can still go there and use their phones as much as they like. It's another social advertising campaign by 'Parks and Wildlife Finland', intended to be spread around internet forums and social media. Doesn't cost them anything, it's a clever idea. And some food for thought, you'd never know about it if you weren't online, nor would you ever have heard of this random island. Of which Finland has hundreds of similar ones.

AlbertCory 3y ago

You can do you at almost every place on the planet. Why can't there be one place where you don't choose to go?

gyulai 3y ago
The converse is also true: If someone likes to be without phone, couldn't they go literally anywhere on the planet, and just choose to leave their phone at home without that place they're going to officially encouraging them to do so? Or is it about the disturbance caused by other people using their phones? ...or maybe to have a plausible story to tell the people who tried to reach you? ("Sorry you couldn't reach me at the weekend, boss, I was at this island in Finland where ...").
- kristiandupont 3y ago
  I can't speak to GP but I would definitely say that phones everywhere are a nuisance. Google "Ruined by Instagram" for plenty of lists. I think this is a lovely initiative and I think it would be great if it could cause a bit of a trend.
  - strken 3y ago
    The nice thing about places that were supposedly ruined by Instagram is that most of them were already overcrowded and boring anyway. As an Australian it's hilarious to talk to tourists and hear they're going to get a bus from Melbourne to the 12 Apostles and back, which is an 8 hour round trip, but aren't planning to spend time at the rest of the spectacularly beautiful coastline or national parks in between. The most popular tourist destinations all seem to be like that: you go there to cross them off the list even though comparably beautiful and much less popular attractions are nearby, for the sake of going somewhere recognisable. There's nothing wrong with going to a few well known spots in a holiday, but if you just go straight from tourist trap to tourist trap you'll miss all the most enjoyable things.

Amiable5326 3y ago

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tired-turtle 3y ago
In your moral framework, am I allowed to use my smartphone when I’m out trail running? Caltopo has helped me not get lost on long loops where turning around isn’t an option.
mulmen 3y ago
Pro tip: if you start a statement with "no offense but" that is an admission that you know what comes next is offensive.
- Mashimo 3y ago
  No offense, but I like dogs.
  - _hush_ 3y ago
    This is super offensive!!
    - NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
      No offense, but that soccer team just can't score any goals!
midoridensha 3y ago
>... a lot of the problems we have in the West is ... obvious that smartphones are terrible for people especially when they are trying to relax in nature. Over here in the Far East, everyone has a phone with them, whether they're in the city or up in the mountains enjoying nature. If you get attacked by a bear or have some other emergency, not having a phone means you'll probably die, so not carrying one is a good way to get a Darwin Award. So weird when people try to blame things on "the West".

UberFly 3y ago

Your response sounds rebellious-teen juvenile. The place isn't meant for you then obviously. No one's telling you to clean your room.

dumpsterdiver 3y ago
When you make belittling comments like you just did, it really takes away from your point. It wasn't necessary to lower the conversation into name calling (i.e. rebellious-teen juvenile). You could have made your point without lashing out.
ffhhttt 3y ago
To be fair this is just a marketing campaign some people on this thread seem to be taking way to seriously for some reason…
nicbou 3y ago
This can be a pleasant community if you follow the guidelines and avoid this sort of name-calling. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

solardev 3y ago

Soooo... don't go there?

beebeepka 3y ago
No, no, no. That's too paternalistic. The poster has to identify plants, and maybe take pictures with their zombie phone. Do they also use their device to block stairs or crosswalks? If their first reaction to this was "but I need it", then maybe.
klyrs 3y ago
It's like that time my mom bought a VIP ticket to a Drake show so she could talk to him afterwards and tell him to his face that she doesn't much care for rap music. (this anecdote is a complete fabrication but I had fun writing it)
- dumpsterdiver 3y ago
  (your mom) "Drake! I don't appreciate your music." (Drake) "Oh, I'm... sorry." (your mom, nodding emphatically) "I came here to give you a piece of my mind. I paid $740 to get me and my children in here so I can say this to your face." (Drake, nodding) "Madam, please... it is your right." (your mom) "Well I didn't like it! I don't like any of your music!" (Drake, nodding again) "Ma'am, I'm not sure I like it either. I'm just selling records here."
nicbou 3y ago
The point of a comment system is to discuss the content of an article. This is what I did. The likelihood of me going there either way is pretty small.
- solardev 3y ago
  Sure. We're discussing it. We just don't agree with you.

lost_tourist 3y ago

So don't go to the island?