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>Joe Internet-Commentator looks at that and says "oh it was totally instant, probably". Kind of, yeah. There is a good timeline on when the ship was in water,

>Joe Internet-Commentator looks at that and says "oh it was totally instant, probably". Kind of, yeah. There is a good timeline on when the ship was in water, when an event would have occurred, plus a very narrow geographical search area. That is significantly more information than is ever available when chasing ghost submarines. It is difficult for me to imagine some bored analyst did not pop open a graph of activity within a 30 minute window of suspected loss of contact time for the area. If detectable, a ship implosion is likely a pretty aberrant signal in the data.

glompers 3y ago
But why precisely does the sloppy sub operator or the mass media audience deserve the information their tax dollars are paying an analyst staff to harvest? Your idea still seems to me like potential question-begging; the fact that the habit would be of interest to people and save lives at some point is not surprising, but lifesaving is not the nature of the pointed interest of most OceanGater polemics in the first place...
- fbdab103 3y ago
  I never said it had to be shared. Just that I think it incredibly likely that if a Naval sensor did detect the event, it would have been identified in short order. Potentially not definitively as an implosion, but that the Navy could have rapidly pinpointed the event in the data. I am not qualified to state what was the appropriate timeline to give a public response nor it if should have been made.
  - glompers 3y ago
    That's fair. I apologize for my tone.
XorNot 3y ago
Sure, but literally everything they're looking at is classified capability or may include classified capability. They don't have permission to just post a hot-take on Twitter, and definitely don't have permission to unilaterally release supporting data. All of that has to run through the chain of command and declassification process.
- TeMPOraL 3y ago
  Adding another thing of interest for Bill the Hostile Power Submarine Commander - do the Navy sonar analysts stick to protocol, or are they neglectful of their duty to the point of posting hot takes on Twitter "just because" it's a civilian matter that's trending on social media? On that note, I wonder if they have the "loose tweets sink fleets" poster put up somewhere. Apparently, Royal Navy did this officially[0] (I may be wrong, but I thought this was an Internet meme before the official poster). -- [0] - https://www.businessinsider.com/royal-navy-updates-loose-lips-sink-ships-poster-to-be-about-twitter-2018-1?IR=T https://www.businessinsider.com/royal-navy-updates-loose-lip...

glompers 3y ago

But why precisely does the sloppy sub operator or the mass media audience deserve the information their tax dollars are paying an analyst staff to harvest? Your idea still seems to me like potential question-begging; the fact that the habit would be of interest to people and save lives at some point is not surprising, but lifesaving is not the nature of the pointed interest of most OceanGater polemics in the first place...

fbdab103 3y ago
I never said it had to be shared. Just that I think it incredibly likely that if a Naval sensor did detect the event, it would have been identified in short order. Potentially not definitively as an implosion, but that the Navy could have rapidly pinpointed the event in the data. I am not qualified to state what was the appropriate timeline to give a public response nor it if should have been made.
- glompers 3y ago
  That's fair. I apologize for my tone.

XorNot 3y ago

Sure, but literally everything they're looking at is classified capability or may include classified capability. They don't have permission to just post a hot-take on Twitter, and definitely don't have permission to unilaterally release supporting data. All of that has to run through the chain of command and declassification process.

TeMPOraL 3y ago
Adding another thing of interest for Bill the Hostile Power Submarine Commander - do the Navy sonar analysts stick to protocol, or are they neglectful of their duty to the point of posting hot takes on Twitter "just because" it's a civilian matter that's trending on social media? On that note, I wonder if they have the "loose tweets sink fleets" poster put up somewhere. Apparently, Royal Navy did this officially[0] (I may be wrong, but I thought this was an Internet meme before the official poster). -- [0] - https://www.businessinsider.com/royal-navy-updates-loose-lips-sink-ships-poster-to-be-about-twitter-2018-1?IR=T https://www.businessinsider.com/royal-navy-updates-loose-lip...