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The author got betrayed by her headline writer. She's not offering a "map" (she's not a moron) nor is she presuming to tell men what to do. She's making a respe
by blast 3y ago
The author got betrayed by her headline writer. She's not offering a "map" (she's not a moron) nor is she presuming to tell men what to do. She's making a respectful attempt to understand social realities behind the rightward swing of younger men (the appeal of Peterson, Tate, etc.). But she has to wrap it in so many pieities and disclaimers for her fragile audience that the article ends up unreadable. If you're masochistic enough to read it closely anyhow, it's clear that she's quietly undermining the dogma (see "I, a heterosexual woman, cringed in recognition") and is rather sympathetic to the people she's writing about. But you have to be a Kremlinologist to detect it because it's what you can't say in the WaPo.
- xk_id 3y agoI think the elephant in the room is actually the fact she’s a woman. Liberals would find so many issues with it, if it was an article about models of femininity, written by a man.
- 1letterunixname 3y agoAbsolutely. The author's gender shouldn't matter if the writing stands well on its own. The issue is that skepticism about authority on the subject is a readily assumed knee-jerk reflex after reading the title. The actual writing doesn't meet credulity because of the cherry-picking of extreme examples used them to form hasty generalizations. Another issue is that a large swath of modern men, in my view, are silently ignored and/or don't participate in society as much in the recent decade or take part in these sort of public debates. Throwing around "incel" comes across as a passive-aggressive judgement tantamount to labeling people "terrorists" or "pedophiles". If younger people, independent of gender, are moving to the right, then that signals there is a messaging and/or brand problem with the left doing or not doing something. Perhaps the mainstream left needs to preach "tolerance of all != acceptance, muzzling people == totalitarian != liberalism" to bring more undecided, swing votes, independents, and such into their camp. Conclusion: They don't have a map their thesis purports to offer, only opinions lacking in merit, purpose, and constructive feedback.
- fragmede 3y ago> Absolutely. The author's gender shouldn't matter if the writing stands well on its own. shouldn't, but we're clearly not in a post-sexism world yet. In hindsight, the same article should have been released under a male-sounding pen name.
- hotpotamus 3y agoIf she came out and said, "hey incels, your problems are your own fault, now grow a spine, take a shower, and get a job" do you think the WaPo would be more offended or do you think the "manosphere" would have an aneurism?
- Gud 3y agoThose are core tenants of the manosphere. To get laid, you have to be fuckable.
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