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Software, just like so many others on HN. The trailer is an RV we take out every couple weeks during the nice weather season. It takes over 1300 pounds of pay

Software, just like so many others on HN. The trailer is an RV we take out every couple weeks during the nice weather season. It takes over 1300 pounds of payload capacity just for the trailer itself, which doesn't leave much for anything else (hitch, cargo, humans, canine). That's how I ended up trading the F150 we had for an F250. And yes, the F250 is pretty big. It's actually not a lot bigger dimensionally than an F150 (same cab, even), but it's usually taller, and it has a very stiff suspension and a live axle in the front, so it feels a lot bigger. Thus why mine rarely goes anywhere it doesn't need to go. My Model 3 is far more comfortable as a daily.

steele 3y ago
So your F250 is an accessory for your recreational vehicle.
cure 3y ago
I'm confused - are you missing a zero? The F150's towing capacity appears to be 5,000 to 14,000 pounds (random source: https://veteransfordtampa.com/ford-f-150-towing-capacity https://veteransfordtampa.com/ford-f-150-towing-capacity). You could tow a 1,300 pounds trailer with a regular car, e.g. the 2023 Ioniq 5 has 2,300 pounds of towing capacity.
- coryrc 3y ago
  1300 lbs tongue weight. Which is a big fucking trailer at 10% tongue weight.
- dragonwriter 3y ago
  No, he's not towing 1,300 pounds, he's towing something that reduces carried cargo capacity by 1,300 pounds. (The impact is, IIRC, typically a bit over 10% of loaded trailer weight.)
oblio 3y ago
I'm slightly confused. In Europe Volkswagen Passat, which is a regular sedan, can tow up to 2000kg braked (I think that's 4400 pounds) and 750 kg unbraked (1600 pounds): https://www.carsguide.com.au/volkswagen/passat/towing-capacity/2021 https://www.carsguide.com.au/volkswagen/passat/towing-capaci... Unless these sites use different measurement systems for towing (could be, I have no idea about these things), wouldn't a much smaller but more powerful car do? In Europe people regularly tow RV trailers with Volvo V60 wagons...
- thevinmeister 3y ago
  Having looked into RV trailers in both the US and EU, I can say that the US trailers are by and large MUCH bigger than in the EU. A quick Google search showed a trailer[0] on sale in the UK, weighing in at 3289 lb. This is a typical size that I would see being towed around where I live in southern Germany. In the US, a typical trailer[1] size could come in at ~4500 lbs. Mind you, this weight is what we call dry, not counting the weight of a filled fresh water tank, important living items (i.e. food, dishes, clothing, etc), and any other items you might want to take camping. Although this is (slightly) on the more extreme side, "fifth-wheels"[2] are also common to see on the road. These certainly require larger vehicles to pull. [0]https://autoline24.uk/-/auction/caravan-trailers/Bailey/Pegasus-554--23070814434095054900 https://autoline24.uk/-/auction/caravan-trailers/Bailey/Pega... [1]https://rv.campingworld.com/rvdetails/used-travel-trailer-rvs/2020-coleman-coleman-lantern-lt-215bhwe-bunkhouse-20k-MCG2168852 https://rv.campingworld.com/rvdetails/used-travel-trailer-rv... [2]https://rv.campingworld.com/rvdetails/used-fifth-wheel-rvs/2019-heartland-bighorn-traveler-32rs-rear-living-40k-DAV2207058 https://rv.campingworld.com/rvdetails/used-fifth-wheel-rvs/2...
  - oblio 3y ago
    > Having looked into RV trailers in both the US and EU, I can say that the US trailers are by and large MUCH bigger than in the EU. Hmmm... interesting. It does make sense, though. Everything is bigger in the US: cars, roads, parking lots, nature reserves, people :-p > https://rv.campingworld.com/rvdetails/used-fifth-wheel-rvs/2019-heartland-bighorn-traveler-32rs-rear-living-40k-DAV2207058 https://rv.campingworld.com/rvdetails/used-fifth-wheel-rvs/2... This is basically a house on wheels at this point :-)

steele 3y ago

So your F250 is an accessory for your recreational vehicle.

cure 3y ago

I'm confused - are you missing a zero? The F150's towing capacity appears to be 5,000 to 14,000 pounds (random source: https://veteransfordtampa.com/ford-f-150-towing-capacity https://veteransfordtampa.com/ford-f-150-towing-capacity). You could tow a 1,300 pounds trailer with a regular car, e.g. the 2023 Ioniq 5 has 2,300 pounds of towing capacity.

coryrc 3y ago
1300 lbs tongue weight. Which is a big fucking trailer at 10% tongue weight.
dragonwriter 3y ago
No, he's not towing 1,300 pounds, he's towing something that reduces carried cargo capacity by 1,300 pounds. (The impact is, IIRC, typically a bit over 10% of loaded trailer weight.)

oblio 3y ago

I'm slightly confused. In Europe Volkswagen Passat, which is a regular sedan, can tow up to 2000kg braked (I think that's 4400 pounds) and 750 kg unbraked (1600 pounds): https://www.carsguide.com.au/volkswagen/passat/towing-capacity/2021 https://www.carsguide.com.au/volkswagen/passat/towing-capaci... Unless these sites use different measurement systems for towing (could be, I have no idea about these things), wouldn't a much smaller but more powerful car do? In Europe people regularly tow RV trailers with Volvo V60 wagons...

thevinmeister 3y ago
Having looked into RV trailers in both the US and EU, I can say that the US trailers are by and large MUCH bigger than in the EU. A quick Google search showed a trailer[0] on sale in the UK, weighing in at 3289 lb. This is a typical size that I would see being towed around where I live in southern Germany. In the US, a typical trailer[1] size could come in at ~4500 lbs. Mind you, this weight is what we call dry, not counting the weight of a filled fresh water tank, important living items (i.e. food, dishes, clothing, etc), and any other items you might want to take camping. Although this is (slightly) on the more extreme side, "fifth-wheels"[2] are also common to see on the road. These certainly require larger vehicles to pull. [0]https://autoline24.uk/-/auction/caravan-trailers/Bailey/Pegasus-554--23070814434095054900 https://autoline24.uk/-/auction/caravan-trailers/Bailey/Pega... [1]https://rv.campingworld.com/rvdetails/used-travel-trailer-rvs/2020-coleman-coleman-lantern-lt-215bhwe-bunkhouse-20k-MCG2168852 https://rv.campingworld.com/rvdetails/used-travel-trailer-rv... [2]https://rv.campingworld.com/rvdetails/used-fifth-wheel-rvs/2019-heartland-bighorn-traveler-32rs-rear-living-40k-DAV2207058 https://rv.campingworld.com/rvdetails/used-fifth-wheel-rvs/2...
- oblio 3y ago
  > Having looked into RV trailers in both the US and EU, I can say that the US trailers are by and large MUCH bigger than in the EU. Hmmm... interesting. It does make sense, though. Everything is bigger in the US: cars, roads, parking lots, nature reserves, people :-p > https://rv.campingworld.com/rvdetails/used-fifth-wheel-rvs/2019-heartland-bighorn-traveler-32rs-rear-living-40k-DAV2207058 https://rv.campingworld.com/rvdetails/used-fifth-wheel-rvs/2... This is basically a house on wheels at this point :-)