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How are developers still screwing this up? Is it negligence or stupidity? They shouldn't be allowed to work in industry writing bad code like this. Security vu

How are developers still screwing this up? Is it negligence or stupidity? They shouldn't be allowed to work in industry writing bad code like this. Security vulns happen, but come on, this is the basics.

epcoa 3y ago
You know how much embedded dev pays? It’s shit. People that are good are usually good enough to go write some Java crud apps and make 3x as much. Unlike the games industry there isn’t nearly as many people drawn to writing the shitware on a consumer router or cut rate oscilloscope.
- c7DJTLrn 3y ago
  I have no qualms with "acting your wage." This goes below the minimum bar in my opinion. Real engineers don't get away with fuckups with real consequences because of their salary.
  - epcoa 3y ago
    > This goes below the minimum bar in my opinion. I'm not giving you a justification, I'm telling you how it is. > Real engineers don't get away with fuckups with real consequences because of their salary. I mean they absolutely do. What is a "real" engineer anyway? I am a licensed engineer (electrical) because I used to work independently as an engineering firm. I understand the various definitions. The overwhelming majority of those with a title of electrical or computer engineer do not have any kind of professional licensure or certification - at best they may have an accredited 4 year degree. None of these people are going to be personally liable for fuckups of any kind in their careers.
sidewndr46 3y ago
As others have mentioned, the pay and the incentives for producing quality embedded software is non existent. Just last year I casually inspected and found an RCE in a decade old consumer product just sitting there in plain sight: http://www.hydrogen18.com/blog/hacking-zyxel-ip-cameras-pt-1.html http://www.hydrogen18.com/blog/hacking-zyxel-ip-cameras-pt-1...

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How are developers still screwing this up? Is it negligence or stupidity? They shouldn't be allowed to work in industry writing bad code like this. Security vu

by c7DJTLrn 3y ago

epcoa 3y ago
You know how much embedded dev pays? It’s shit. People that are good are usually good enough to go write some Java crud apps and make 3x as much. Unlike the games industry there isn’t nearly as many people drawn to writing the shitware on a consumer router or cut rate oscilloscope.
- c7DJTLrn 3y ago
  I have no qualms with "acting your wage." This goes below the minimum bar in my opinion. Real engineers don't get away with fuckups with real consequences because of their salary.
  - epcoa 3y ago
    > This goes below the minimum bar in my opinion. I'm not giving you a justification, I'm telling you how it is. > Real engineers don't get away with fuckups with real consequences because of their salary. I mean they absolutely do. What is a "real" engineer anyway? I am a licensed engineer (electrical) because I used to work independently as an engineering firm. I understand the various definitions. The overwhelming majority of those with a title of electrical or computer engineer do not have any kind of professional licensure or certification - at best they may have an accredited 4 year degree. None of these people are going to be personally liable for fuckups of any kind in their careers.
sidewndr46 3y ago
As others have mentioned, the pay and the incentives for producing quality embedded software is non existent. Just last year I casually inspected and found an RCE in a decade old consumer product just sitting there in plain sight: http://www.hydrogen18.com/blog/hacking-zyxel-ip-cameras-pt-1.html http://www.hydrogen18.com/blog/hacking-zyxel-ip-cameras-pt-1...