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cool links, thanks for sharing. I also share your feelings, but reality (or burnout) is starting to take its toll on me and I see too much uninterested people w

by gv83 3y ago

cool links, thanks for sharing. I also share your feelings, but reality (or burnout) is starting to take its toll on me and I see too much uninterested people working as SWEs nowadays. I mean, tooling is probably part of the problem, but quality is going downhill real fast, with people with 2/3 years on the job not understanding simple things like HexArch or basic patterns (not advocating for anything, just mentioning something that should be common knowledge in 2023). I'm starting to think that if we want to maintain this "race to the bottom" pace, we need a more industrialized/blue collar approach and be more less about the person and more about the tool. Most jobs in my area are web crud controlling a transaction script. there is no problem to solve.

Silhouette 3y ago
I mean, tooling is probably part of the problem, but quality is going downhill real fast, with people with 2/3 years on the job not understanding simple things I agree but I also wonder why we would expect them to. Many coming into the industry have had little formal education in CS or SE. Employers providing substantial training is mostly a thing of the past because retention and professional development for employees has mostly been deprecated in favour of the rapid job-hopping culture. And for a while now it's been such an employee's market that developers haven't needed to invest their own time and money into professional development in order to progress their careers. So even for relatively senior devs it's easily possible that they could have little academic education, little professional training provided by any of their employers, and little incentive to spend their own time studying. Their understanding might come from nothing but a few years of experience working on only 2 or 3 different products and - if they're lucky - some ideas they've been exposed to through more experienced mentors, team leads and code reviewers. I personally believe our industry would be infinitely better if we could get back to the idea that professional development is important and employers should both look for people who've been learning and then support their people's ongoing learning themselves. Maybe we can even do that now that the gold rush is over and job-hopping every five minutes for a pay and title bump is no longer the most reliable way to climb the career ladder.

by gv83 3y ago

Silhouette 3y ago

I mean, tooling is probably part of the problem, but quality is going downhill real fast, with people with 2/3 years on the job not understanding simple things I agree but I also wonder why we would expect them to. Many coming into the industry have had little formal education in CS or SE. Employers providing substantial training is mostly a thing of the past because retention and professional development for employees has mostly been deprecated in favour of the rapid job-hopping culture. And for a while now it's been such an employee's market that developers haven't needed to invest their own time and money into professional development in order to progress their careers. So even for relatively senior devs it's easily possible that they could have little academic education, little professional training provided by any of their employers, and little incentive to spend their own time studying. Their understanding might come from nothing but a few years of experience working on only 2 or 3 different products and - if they're lucky - some ideas they've been exposed to through more experienced mentors, team leads and code reviewers. I personally believe our industry would be infinitely better if we could get back to the idea that professional development is important and employers should both look for people who've been learning and then support their people's ongoing learning themselves. Maybe we can even do that now that the gold rush is over and job-hopping every five minutes for a pay and title bump is no longer the most reliable way to climb the career ladder.