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Seems like a pretty good business model to me. Quietly dumb down the AI, then release version N+1 that is smarter and charge $X + 15% for it

by vinyl7 3y ago

sebzim4500 3y ago
Notably only works when there is no competition. Thankfully anthropic exists so we don't need to rely on google getting their shit together.
- regularfry 3y ago
  They'll be marketed on the basis of individual personalities before long. I think it's inevitable, it means each one forms its own natural monopoly.
  - 3cats-in-a-coat 3y ago
    Most people using AI don't give a damn about their personalities, but how well they do work. Imagine if everyone's quirky personality provided them with job safety. In a small company where the boss is sentimental and what not, it may work. In a serious business, having a personality might rather get you fired.
    - regularfry 3y ago
      We already have entire industries based around uniqueness of personality. That's why "casting director" exists as a job. People are also profoundly irrational around anything anthropomorphic, to the extent of being unable to consistently order how well humans "do work" without succumbing to biases. I think it's inevitable not because it makes for a better AI product, but because humans are reliably easy to fool.
      - 3cats-in-a-coat 3y ago
        I think you're overestimating the percent of GPT users who need it as a synthetic replacement of a friend or a partner. The people who do this are fundamentally looking for relief in the wrong place. The thing doesn't even have memory beyond the immediate chat log. I know online we can easily end up pockets of people to whom every advancement in robotics is about love dolls and every advancement of genetics is about creating catgirls, but believe me these are tiny echo chambers. Humanity at large doesn't process AI in this way at all. They're using it to write homeworks, to do work, and research. Talking about "casting directors" suggests there's something fundamentally off about how you see AI. They're not actors hired to perform a play, or something.
        regularfry 3y ago
        I'm not talking about synthetic replacement. That's a red herring. Humans will make decisions about which LLM to use based on factors entirely unrelated to direct task performance. They may be conscious of this irrationality, but it is more likely that they will not. My prediction is that AIs (in the LLM, homework-writing, prompt-in, response-out sense) will be consciously marketed on the basis of those non-task-specific factors. > Talking about "casting directors" suggests there's something fundamentally off about how you see AI. They're not actors hired to perform a play, or something. No, you've missed my point. Actors are hired because they have a monopoly on themselves. Musicians even more so. LLMs will be the same. Beyond a base level of competence, there will be "competition" between LLMs from different companies in the same sense there is "competition" between operatic baritones. You don't buy a ticket to see Bryn Terfel because he can hit a middle C.
        3cats-in-a-coat 3y ago
        This kind of dynamic you’re describing is inherently based on limited exposure. Tom Cruise wouldn’t have his star power if there were millions of copies all over the world all around you.
        3cats-in-a-coat 3y ago
        Just as important, it's about exposure that's refined, polished, planned. If Tom Cruise was in a reality show, seeing him as his everyday self, instead of Ethan Hunt in a highly produced Mission Impossible movie that took Tom Cruise thousands of hours work, training, a large team, editing, SFX, engineers, VFX etc. Then he wouldn't be the same Tom Cruise in your mind.
  - cyanydeez 3y ago
    Not personality. They'll be properly constructed to only understand say, pokemon or star trek. Most people don't care about personality.
bhouston 3y ago
That is similar to the old iPhones gets slower after the release of a newer faster iPhone theory, a theory which turned out to be true: https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/apple-will-pay-up-to-500-million-us-to-settle-slow-iphone-lawsuit-1.5482313 https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/apple-will-pay-up-to-500-mi...
- LeoPanthera 3y ago
  You have enormously misrepresented that story. It wasn't true as anyone actually believed. The processor throttled when the battery could no longer deliver the current necessary to drive it at full speed. It had nothing to do with new iPhones.

Seems like a pretty good business model to me. Quietly dumb down the AI, then release version N+1 that is smarter and charge $X + 15% for it

by vinyl7 3y ago

Seems like a pretty good business model to me. Quietly dumb down the AI, then release version N+1 that is smarter and charge $X + 15% for it

sebzim4500 3y ago

Notably only works when there is no competition. Thankfully anthropic exists so we don't need to rely on google getting their shit together.

regularfry 3y ago
They'll be marketed on the basis of individual personalities before long. I think it's inevitable, it means each one forms its own natural monopoly.
- 3cats-in-a-coat 3y ago
  Most people using AI don't give a damn about their personalities, but how well they do work. Imagine if everyone's quirky personality provided them with job safety. In a small company where the boss is sentimental and what not, it may work. In a serious business, having a personality might rather get you fired.
  - regularfry 3y ago
    We already have entire industries based around uniqueness of personality. That's why "casting director" exists as a job. People are also profoundly irrational around anything anthropomorphic, to the extent of being unable to consistently order how well humans "do work" without succumbing to biases. I think it's inevitable not because it makes for a better AI product, but because humans are reliably easy to fool.
    - 3cats-in-a-coat 3y ago
      I think you're overestimating the percent of GPT users who need it as a synthetic replacement of a friend or a partner. The people who do this are fundamentally looking for relief in the wrong place. The thing doesn't even have memory beyond the immediate chat log. I know online we can easily end up pockets of people to whom every advancement in robotics is about love dolls and every advancement of genetics is about creating catgirls, but believe me these are tiny echo chambers. Humanity at large doesn't process AI in this way at all. They're using it to write homeworks, to do work, and research. Talking about "casting directors" suggests there's something fundamentally off about how you see AI. They're not actors hired to perform a play, or something.
      - regularfry 3y ago
        I'm not talking about synthetic replacement. That's a red herring. Humans will make decisions about which LLM to use based on factors entirely unrelated to direct task performance. They may be conscious of this irrationality, but it is more likely that they will not. My prediction is that AIs (in the LLM, homework-writing, prompt-in, response-out sense) will be consciously marketed on the basis of those non-task-specific factors. > Talking about "casting directors" suggests there's something fundamentally off about how you see AI. They're not actors hired to perform a play, or something. No, you've missed my point. Actors are hired because they have a monopoly on themselves. Musicians even more so. LLMs will be the same. Beyond a base level of competence, there will be "competition" between LLMs from different companies in the same sense there is "competition" between operatic baritones. You don't buy a ticket to see Bryn Terfel because he can hit a middle C.
        3cats-in-a-coat 3y ago
        This kind of dynamic you’re describing is inherently based on limited exposure. Tom Cruise wouldn’t have his star power if there were millions of copies all over the world all around you.
        3cats-in-a-coat 3y ago
        Just as important, it's about exposure that's refined, polished, planned. If Tom Cruise was in a reality show, seeing him as his everyday self, instead of Ethan Hunt in a highly produced Mission Impossible movie that took Tom Cruise thousands of hours work, training, a large team, editing, SFX, engineers, VFX etc. Then he wouldn't be the same Tom Cruise in your mind.
- cyanydeez 3y ago
  Not personality. They'll be properly constructed to only understand say, pokemon or star trek. Most people don't care about personality.

bhouston 3y ago

That is similar to the old iPhones gets slower after the release of a newer faster iPhone theory, a theory which turned out to be true: https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/apple-will-pay-up-to-500-million-us-to-settle-slow-iphone-lawsuit-1.5482313 https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/apple-will-pay-up-to-500-mi...

LeoPanthera 3y ago
You have enormously misrepresented that story. It wasn't true as anyone actually believed. The processor throttled when the battery could no longer deliver the current necessary to drive it at full speed. It had nothing to do with new iPhones.