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> But fertility medtech is something that brings I think the reoccurring question of the biggest reason we don't have kids after financial, and that is that the

> But fertility medtech is something that brings I think the reoccurring question of the biggest reason we don't have kids after financial, and that is that the 1950s model isn't sustainable/compatible with modern day lifestyle and no amount of conservative lifestyleshaming will change that. In the west, eastern cultures aren't suffering the same problems for a reason, they still value families. The west doesn't seem to do so, and i think it's one of the reasons for the "mental health pandemic".

0dayz 3y ago
Not a single Eastern European country has a replacement birth rate[0]. In fact certain Eastern European countries have a worse birth rate than western European countries[1]. It's also makes no sense to proclaim "eastern Europe" as a unified cultural group, as eastern Europe technically includes Austria, despite Austria having a modern history more aligned with western Europe due to not being part of the Warsaw bloc. And no, even if we take your argument at face value eastern European culture does not value "family" more in practice, outwards it does, but younger people in eastern Europe are just like westerners in that they are seeking out career, social and cultural fulfillment before wanting to settle down. The only real difference between west and eastern Europe is that Western Europe is aware of the issue and don't know what to do (yet), while certain eastern European countries thinks that you can duct tape conservatism with modern ideals (and cut away anything that doesn't fit their view). [0]https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-eurostat-news/w/DDN-20230309-1 https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-eurostat-news/w/D... [1]https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=Fertility_statistics#The_birth_rate_in_the_EU_decreased_at_a_slower_pace_between_2000_and_2021_than_previously https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php...
- jacooper 3y ago
  I wasn't talking about eastern Europe.

0dayz 3y ago

Not a single Eastern European country has a replacement birth rate[0]. In fact certain Eastern European countries have a worse birth rate than western European countries[1]. It's also makes no sense to proclaim "eastern Europe" as a unified cultural group, as eastern Europe technically includes Austria, despite Austria having a modern history more aligned with western Europe due to not being part of the Warsaw bloc. And no, even if we take your argument at face value eastern European culture does not value "family" more in practice, outwards it does, but younger people in eastern Europe are just like westerners in that they are seeking out career, social and cultural fulfillment before wanting to settle down. The only real difference between west and eastern Europe is that Western Europe is aware of the issue and don't know what to do (yet), while certain eastern European countries thinks that you can duct tape conservatism with modern ideals (and cut away anything that doesn't fit their view). [0]https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-eurostat-news/w/DDN-20230309-1 https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-eurostat-news/w/D... [1]https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=Fertility_statistics#The_birth_rate_in_the_EU_decreased_at_a_slower_pace_between_2000_and_2021_than_previously https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php...

jacooper 3y ago
I wasn't talking about eastern Europe.