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100% this. If your company can run on a managed platform then it should. The reasons the whole world isn't already include: GDPR, SOC2 (audit, role level respon

100% this. If your company can run on a managed platform then it should. The reasons the whole world isn't already include: GDPR, SOC2 (audit, role level responsibilities), customer firewalls, encryption requirements (hello FIPS).

echelon 3y ago
Managed platforms are obscenely expensive. I know, I know - "time to market", "scaling on demand", "open source isn't free", "not our core competency", etc. Infra staffing, hardware, scaling, and upgrades are expensive. But it doesn't help the fact that cloud costs an arm and a leg too. I can't believe we haven't seen more of a race to the bottom in terms of costs and offerings. Amazon is gorging itself on your margin. I wish we lived in a world with 20 AWSes, all at the same scale and market penetration.
- MobileVet 3y ago
  I don't agree. People are far more expensive than managed infrastructure and that is what the comparison should be... not against 'bare metal.' When you compare the managed infra costs to bare metal directly, you are comparing apples to oranges. We run an 8 figure business on mid 5 figure managed infra costs. An infrastructure team would be several multiples more expensive than that... even if it was a single individual. Just because you can do it yourself or more cheaply, doesn't mean the effective business costs are less. Edited: for grammar
  - tester756 3y ago
    >People are far more expensive than managed infrastructure and that is what the comparison should be... not against 'bare metal.' When you compare the managed infra costs to bare metal directly, you are comparing apples to oranges. Clearly, because "DevOps" people / skills are for free right? Good software engineers who additionally have exp with Cloud and all its craziness definitely aren't asking for way higher salaries? I've worked in small size data center and the amount of work performed by 2x minimal wage technicians was huge. They were running on 5-10 engineers + 3 more skilled ppl at day and 1 person on night shift with 1 or 2 being "wakeable"
- anotherhue 3y ago
  Just to be clear, I never mentioned costs as a factor. Those are about margin, what I'm discussing is about core product. "Is a product made by grown ups familiar with your sector" is an actual selling point for most enterprise SaaS.
MobileVet 3y ago
100% part 2. Infrastructure has SO many potholes and edge cases. Tackling it directly by 'rolling your own' is optimistic naivety at best.

echelon 3y ago

Managed platforms are obscenely expensive. I know, I know - "time to market", "scaling on demand", "open source isn't free", "not our core competency", etc. Infra staffing, hardware, scaling, and upgrades are expensive. But it doesn't help the fact that cloud costs an arm and a leg too. I can't believe we haven't seen more of a race to the bottom in terms of costs and offerings. Amazon is gorging itself on your margin. I wish we lived in a world with 20 AWSes, all at the same scale and market penetration.

MobileVet 3y ago
I don't agree. People are far more expensive than managed infrastructure and that is what the comparison should be... not against 'bare metal.' When you compare the managed infra costs to bare metal directly, you are comparing apples to oranges. We run an 8 figure business on mid 5 figure managed infra costs. An infrastructure team would be several multiples more expensive than that... even if it was a single individual. Just because you can do it yourself or more cheaply, doesn't mean the effective business costs are less. Edited: for grammar
- tester756 3y ago
  >People are far more expensive than managed infrastructure and that is what the comparison should be... not against 'bare metal.' When you compare the managed infra costs to bare metal directly, you are comparing apples to oranges. Clearly, because "DevOps" people / skills are for free right? Good software engineers who additionally have exp with Cloud and all its craziness definitely aren't asking for way higher salaries? I've worked in small size data center and the amount of work performed by 2x minimal wage technicians was huge. They were running on 5-10 engineers + 3 more skilled ppl at day and 1 person on night shift with 1 or 2 being "wakeable"
anotherhue 3y ago
Just to be clear, I never mentioned costs as a factor. Those are about margin, what I'm discussing is about core product. "Is a product made by grown ups familiar with your sector" is an actual selling point for most enterprise SaaS.

MobileVet 3y ago

100% part 2. Infrastructure has SO many potholes and edge cases. Tackling it directly by 'rolling your own' is optimistic naivety at best.