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Technology improved, but cars one main advantage. To steal a 4000lbs car one needs either a tow truck, or to enable the engine, or a lot of guys to push. To st

Technology improved, but cars one main advantage. To steal a 4000lbs car one needs either a tow truck, or to enable the engine, or a lot of guys to push. To steal a 15 lbs bicycle, one need only pick it up and walk away.

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rcpt 3y ago
E bikes are a lot heavier than 15 lbs
- sleepybrett 3y ago
  I am reminded of this reddit post and it's picture https://www.reddit.com/r/Seattle/comments/13og4mc/thats_one_way_to_steal_a_bike/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Seattle/comments/13og4mc/thats_one_.... Most e-bikes have a lock on the battery that can be toggled to cut out the motor, though I think it can still be pedaled, but this is why you always lock through the frame and the the back wheel...
- dukeyukey 3y ago
  Still plenty carrayable by one person.
kjkjadksj 3y ago
Same issue with motorcycles and people just buy insurance, which you can do with bikes too.
- vel0city 3y ago
  I can pick up a bicycle and walk away with very little effort. They're usually less than 20lbs. My motorcycle is 500lbs wet. Close to 700 with full cases. Are you really suggesting it's just as easy stealing a 500-700lb bike as a 20lb bike?
  - kjkjadksj 3y ago
    For most bikes and mopeds two guys and a truck is all you need to steal it. If you can lean it up after laying it out, theres probably a way for someone to leverage it onto a truck bed. Maybe just knocking it over onto a furniture dolly and pushing it up a ramp.
    - vel0city 3y ago
      That all sounds like a good bit more work than a single person with a bolt cutter. So you do agree with me, that it's a lot more work stealing a motorcycle than stealing a bicycle?
bluGill 3y ago
60 years ago it wasn't hard to hot wire a car. Car locks are very good, 20 years ago encryption was added so you can't start the car withour the authorized keys. Decades before that the lock was attached to the steering wheel so you couldn't drive even if you srarted.it. and car locks are hard to pick (unlike many house locks)
- abeppu 3y ago
  ... btw, since we know how to make locks that are harder to pick, why _don't_ we use them basically everywhere including houses. Are they a lot more challenging to manufacture?
  - bluGill 3y ago
    I'm not an expert, but my understanding it is about tolerance and quality control, both of which increase costs. It is rare for someone to pick a lock to get into a house so it isn't worth the costs. All locks can be picked, but it takes more skill for the better ones. Modern encryption is (so our math says, though i'm not sure what the limits are) essentially unbreakable, and so a better solution.
  - creato 3y ago
    When theft via lock picking becomes an issue, people will buy those locks. I doubt it will be an issue as long as bolt cutters and batter powered angle grinders exist.
  - grrdotcloud 3y ago
    In a practical sense the lock is an indicator of limited access. The ability to gain entry is trivial given a few minutes and intent. The locks in my house are there so the glass has to be broken. The glass is there to give me enough time to respond. If someone is picking my lock they are involved in a hit, not theft.
  - yardie 3y ago
    Good question. My apartment in Europe had a steel plate door with a gargantuan lock that with 10 latch points. My apartment in the US has a cheap ~$30 commercial deadbolt you could defeat by pushing really hard. I looked at getting one of those locks and the price was astronomical.
DANmode 3y ago
Good ebikes are/will be 75-150lbs.
- KeplerBoy 3y ago
  wtf, no? How would a 150 lbs ebike even look like? That's an electric moped.
  - stevenhuang 3y ago
    Same cargo ebikes near this weight. I have the radrunner plus and it's 75 lbs.
  - harambae 3y ago
    Sur Ron light bee X is 110 lbs Sur Ron ultra bee is 187 lbs So I guess it would look, almost exactly, halfway between these
    - somerandomqaguy 3y ago
      The Light Bee X and Ultra Bee are full on electric motorcycles though, not exactly ebikes.
      - harambae 3y ago
        I think technically mopeds, but yes. It's a weird and convoluted space now. Just as an example -- people will purposely install bicycle pedals on Surrons to make it look like they are just assisted ebikes or something. https://currentebikes.com/wp-content/uploads/california_electric_bike_law-2.jpg https://currentebikes.com/wp-content/uploads/california_elec...
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rcpt 3y ago

E bikes are a lot heavier than 15 lbs

sleepybrett 3y ago
I am reminded of this reddit post and it's picture https://www.reddit.com/r/Seattle/comments/13og4mc/thats_one_way_to_steal_a_bike/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Seattle/comments/13og4mc/thats_one_.... Most e-bikes have a lock on the battery that can be toggled to cut out the motor, though I think it can still be pedaled, but this is why you always lock through the frame and the the back wheel...
dukeyukey 3y ago
Still plenty carrayable by one person.

kjkjadksj 3y ago

Same issue with motorcycles and people just buy insurance, which you can do with bikes too.

vel0city 3y ago
I can pick up a bicycle and walk away with very little effort. They're usually less than 20lbs. My motorcycle is 500lbs wet. Close to 700 with full cases. Are you really suggesting it's just as easy stealing a 500-700lb bike as a 20lb bike?
- kjkjadksj 3y ago
  For most bikes and mopeds two guys and a truck is all you need to steal it. If you can lean it up after laying it out, theres probably a way for someone to leverage it onto a truck bed. Maybe just knocking it over onto a furniture dolly and pushing it up a ramp.
  - vel0city 3y ago
    That all sounds like a good bit more work than a single person with a bolt cutter. So you do agree with me, that it's a lot more work stealing a motorcycle than stealing a bicycle?

bluGill 3y ago

60 years ago it wasn't hard to hot wire a car. Car locks are very good, 20 years ago encryption was added so you can't start the car withour the authorized keys. Decades before that the lock was attached to the steering wheel so you couldn't drive even if you srarted.it. and car locks are hard to pick (unlike many house locks)

abeppu 3y ago
... btw, since we know how to make locks that are harder to pick, why _don't_ we use them basically everywhere including houses. Are they a lot more challenging to manufacture?
- bluGill 3y ago
  I'm not an expert, but my understanding it is about tolerance and quality control, both of which increase costs. It is rare for someone to pick a lock to get into a house so it isn't worth the costs. All locks can be picked, but it takes more skill for the better ones. Modern encryption is (so our math says, though i'm not sure what the limits are) essentially unbreakable, and so a better solution.
- creato 3y ago
  When theft via lock picking becomes an issue, people will buy those locks. I doubt it will be an issue as long as bolt cutters and batter powered angle grinders exist.
- grrdotcloud 3y ago
  In a practical sense the lock is an indicator of limited access. The ability to gain entry is trivial given a few minutes and intent. The locks in my house are there so the glass has to be broken. The glass is there to give me enough time to respond. If someone is picking my lock they are involved in a hit, not theft.
- yardie 3y ago
  Good question. My apartment in Europe had a steel plate door with a gargantuan lock that with 10 latch points. My apartment in the US has a cheap ~$30 commercial deadbolt you could defeat by pushing really hard. I looked at getting one of those locks and the price was astronomical.

DANmode 3y ago

Good ebikes are/will be 75-150lbs.

KeplerBoy 3y ago
wtf, no? How would a 150 lbs ebike even look like? That's an electric moped.
- stevenhuang 3y ago
  Same cargo ebikes near this weight. I have the radrunner plus and it's 75 lbs.
- harambae 3y ago
  Sur Ron light bee X is 110 lbs Sur Ron ultra bee is 187 lbs So I guess it would look, almost exactly, halfway between these
  - somerandomqaguy 3y ago
    The Light Bee X and Ultra Bee are full on electric motorcycles though, not exactly ebikes.
    - harambae 3y ago
      I think technically mopeds, but yes. It's a weird and convoluted space now. Just as an example -- people will purposely install bicycle pedals on Surrons to make it look like they are just assisted ebikes or something. https://currentebikes.com/wp-content/uploads/california_electric_bike_law-2.jpg https://currentebikes.com/wp-content/uploads/california_elec...

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