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Gitter seems to have moved to being a Matrix instance (or maybe it always has? it didn't look like Matrix when I used it circa 2016), but matrix feels half-bake

by judge2020 3y ago

Gitter seems to have moved to being a Matrix instance (or maybe it always has? it didn't look like Matrix when I used it circa 2016), but matrix feels half-baked and is just a bunch of hacks put together. For example - Can't "mark all as read" on a space. probably because rooms within a space are only tangentially related, - No custom emojis or sticker packs (their proposal for this is to create rooms to house custom emojis/sticker packs[0]) Not a great bet to go to keybase with the Zoom acquisition https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28814210 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28814210 0: https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-spec-proposals/pull/1951/files#diff-a9eadd5747c674f5a07d7fa4570a2ed844d5a942eb1380dfd0be719011ef3051R26-R47 https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-spec-proposals/pull/195...

palata 3y ago
Didn't Matrix (or whoever owns Matrix) buy Gitter? That was my understanding...
Arathorn 3y ago
Ah, the joys of open source: where "nobody has implemented 'mark all as read' on a space yet" is extrapolated to "half-baked and just a bunch of hacks". Custom emojis & sticker packs exist as per MSC1951 (thanks for linking it), and implemented in various clients. The fact the data is stored in a room shouldn't exactly be a surprise, given 'rooms' (i.e. persistent decentralised pubsub topics) are the main primitive for storing data in Matrix, much as everything is a file in unix. Sorry you feel Matrix feels half-baked; meanwhile we're busy doing a major iteration as per https://fosdem.org/2023/schedule/event/matrix20 https://fosdem.org/2023/schedule/event/matrix20 and https://element.io/blog/element-x-experience-the-future-of-element/ https://element.io/blog/element-x-experience-the-future-of-e.... Right now the target is more WhatsApp/Signal/iMessage style messaging than Discord/Slack/Teams, but we'll (re)address the latter eventually.
- judge2020 3y ago
  > implemented in various clients. Are clients encourages to implement potential features before they're merged?

palata 3y ago

Didn't Matrix (or whoever owns Matrix) buy Gitter? That was my understanding...

Arathorn 3y ago

Ah, the joys of open source: where "nobody has implemented 'mark all as read' on a space yet" is extrapolated to "half-baked and just a bunch of hacks". Custom emojis & sticker packs exist as per MSC1951 (thanks for linking it), and implemented in various clients. The fact the data is stored in a room shouldn't exactly be a surprise, given 'rooms' (i.e. persistent decentralised pubsub topics) are the main primitive for storing data in Matrix, much as everything is a file in unix. Sorry you feel Matrix feels half-baked; meanwhile we're busy doing a major iteration as per https://fosdem.org/2023/schedule/event/matrix20 https://fosdem.org/2023/schedule/event/matrix20 and https://element.io/blog/element-x-experience-the-future-of-element/ https://element.io/blog/element-x-experience-the-future-of-e.... Right now the target is more WhatsApp/Signal/iMessage style messaging than Discord/Slack/Teams, but we'll (re)address the latter eventually.

judge2020 3y ago
> implemented in various clients. Are clients encourages to implement potential features before they're merged?