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Okay, let me be more clear. I checked lemmy's rules and they link to mastodon's rules, so they even share the same set of rules. https://mastodon.world/about h

by veave 3y ago

Okay, let me be more clear. I checked lemmy's rules and they link to mastodon's rules, so they even share the same set of rules. https://mastodon.world/about https://mastodon.world/about No hate speech (for example, no "derogatory posts" based on gender) -> politically charged. ///// No posts or comments supporting or promoting QAnon related content or similarly disproven conspiracy theories -> politically charged. If you want to look at it the other way, if there was a mastodon instance that said "no pro-immigration propaganda" or "no discussions about abortions" then it would be politically charged as well. Of course if you ask Mastodon's people they will tell you "you can't just promote a conspiracy theory like qanon, that's common sense". The other way, "abortion is murder, you can't discuss how to murder babies, that's common sense". But no, it's not "common sense", it's politics. YOu don't want people to discuss the politics you don't like in your instance. Fair is fair. That's my point, I hope I made it more clear.

AlecSchueler 3y ago
Thanks, I appreciate the effort to clarify and to argue with concrete points. Which Lemmy rules were you looking at? I can't find anything from the project itself except for a code of conduct for contributors. The mastadon link you shared is applicable to a certain instance but doesn't seem to apply to the wider fediverse. I also don't see them claiming anything as common sense. Also, question: Would you say free speech absolutism is politically charged?
- veave 3y ago
  >Which Lemmy rules were you looking at? I can't find anything from the project itself except for a code of conduct for contributors. I was talking about the main lemmy instance, https://lemmy.world/ https://lemmy.world/ - if you look at the sidebar it says: "Be polite and follow the rules (https://mastodon.world/about https://mastodon.world/about)". That's what I linked to, above. >The mastadon link you shared is applicable to a certain instance but doesn't seem to apply to the wider fediverse. The main mastodon instance, mastodon.social, will defederate from you if your server has users that break those rules. I admit I haven't found any similar rules in mastodon.world, but I have to imagine it works the same (see below) https://mastodon.social/about https://mastodon.social/about is the main mastodon instance of the fediverse -> click on "Moderated servers" to see the list of blocked servers and the reasons, like "disinformation" or "hate speech", which are politically charged. mastodon.world has chosen not to disclose their list of moderated servers, but given the list of rules, I predict a similar (or even the same) list. Mastodon servers of the main fediverse share a moderated servers blacklist through some mechanism that I don't know much about. But.. this discussion was not originally about the server blacklist but about whether the set of rules had a political slant or not. >I also don't see them claiming anything as common sense. I imagine that someone who doesn't want to admit that those rules are politically charged will claim they are common sense - at least that's the way the argument has been presented to me in the past. >Would you say free speech absolutism is politically charged? Allowing everybody to express their political opinions without censorship is the opposite of a politically charged moderation.
  - AlecSchueler 3y ago
    Thanks for the links. > Allowing everybody to express their political opinions without censorship is the opposite of a politically charged moderation. And that's just common sense!

by veave 3y ago

AlecSchueler 3y ago

Thanks, I appreciate the effort to clarify and to argue with concrete points. Which Lemmy rules were you looking at? I can't find anything from the project itself except for a code of conduct for contributors. The mastadon link you shared is applicable to a certain instance but doesn't seem to apply to the wider fediverse. I also don't see them claiming anything as common sense. Also, question: Would you say free speech absolutism is politically charged?

veave 3y ago
>Which Lemmy rules were you looking at? I can't find anything from the project itself except for a code of conduct for contributors. I was talking about the main lemmy instance, https://lemmy.world/ https://lemmy.world/ - if you look at the sidebar it says: "Be polite and follow the rules (https://mastodon.world/about https://mastodon.world/about)". That's what I linked to, above. >The mastadon link you shared is applicable to a certain instance but doesn't seem to apply to the wider fediverse. The main mastodon instance, mastodon.social, will defederate from you if your server has users that break those rules. I admit I haven't found any similar rules in mastodon.world, but I have to imagine it works the same (see below) https://mastodon.social/about https://mastodon.social/about is the main mastodon instance of the fediverse -> click on "Moderated servers" to see the list of blocked servers and the reasons, like "disinformation" or "hate speech", which are politically charged. mastodon.world has chosen not to disclose their list of moderated servers, but given the list of rules, I predict a similar (or even the same) list. Mastodon servers of the main fediverse share a moderated servers blacklist through some mechanism that I don't know much about. But.. this discussion was not originally about the server blacklist but about whether the set of rules had a political slant or not. >I also don't see them claiming anything as common sense. I imagine that someone who doesn't want to admit that those rules are politically charged will claim they are common sense - at least that's the way the argument has been presented to me in the past. >Would you say free speech absolutism is politically charged? Allowing everybody to express their political opinions without censorship is the opposite of a politically charged moderation.
- AlecSchueler 3y ago
  Thanks for the links. > Allowing everybody to express their political opinions without censorship is the opposite of a politically charged moderation. And that's just common sense!