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Counterargument: sane users expect consistent presentation across all browsers and viewport dimensions. A CSS reset overrides the user-agent stylesheet and the

Counterargument: sane users expect consistent presentation across all browsers and viewport dimensions. A CSS reset overrides the user-agent stylesheet and the rest of the CSS determines the final style. This is the best practice. If you don't like web pages, then don't use them. The final form of this club would be to settle on their favorite serialization format bit banged into their nervous system so they can be one with the matrix. /s

adr1an 3y ago
I'd rather look at this club as some sort of 'code golf' than take it seriously as a manifesto. Actually, even as a manifesto their point is valid, as a form of minimalist art. I consider the web as to be a canvas for many artists too. You don't need to agree to admire their work (e.g. dadaism is not frowned upon today)
- sublinear 3y ago
  Ok if this is the serious intent (minimalism) then they probably want SGML, not HTML. They would also not want this delivered using the seven layer burrito that is the OSI model.
flagrant_taco 3y ago
This is still subjective. Some users would prefer to see consistency across all sites they visit rather that consistency on the same site across all browsers. When every site uses it's own reset there's no consistency while in the same browser, which is way more common for most users that don't have a separate browser for every site they visit.
- lolinder 3y ago
  This is one of the main use cases for reader mode for me—I already have an ad blocker to remove noise, reader mode means I don't have to deal with whatever each random site's designer thought would be the most readable thing, I can standardize all my reading in a format that works for me.
- type0 3y ago
  There's Lynx Browser for that https://lynx.browser.org/ https://lynx.browser.org/
CaptainFever 3y ago
I guess those who prefer reader mode and user-agent styling are insane, then? /s
GoblinSlayer 3y ago
Salesmen expect consistent branding, not users. Users expect consistent presentation across sites.

adr1an 3y ago

I'd rather look at this club as some sort of 'code golf' than take it seriously as a manifesto. Actually, even as a manifesto their point is valid, as a form of minimalist art. I consider the web as to be a canvas for many artists too. You don't need to agree to admire their work (e.g. dadaism is not frowned upon today)

sublinear 3y ago
Ok if this is the serious intent (minimalism) then they probably want SGML, not HTML. They would also not want this delivered using the seven layer burrito that is the OSI model.

flagrant_taco 3y ago

This is still subjective. Some users would prefer to see consistency across all sites they visit rather that consistency on the same site across all browsers. When every site uses it's own reset there's no consistency while in the same browser, which is way more common for most users that don't have a separate browser for every site they visit.

lolinder 3y ago
This is one of the main use cases for reader mode for me—I already have an ad blocker to remove noise, reader mode means I don't have to deal with whatever each random site's designer thought would be the most readable thing, I can standardize all my reading in a format that works for me.
type0 3y ago
There's Lynx Browser for that https://lynx.browser.org/ https://lynx.browser.org/

CaptainFever 3y ago

I guess those who prefer reader mode and user-agent styling are insane, then? /s

GoblinSlayer 3y ago

Salesmen expect consistent branding, not users. Users expect consistent presentation across sites.