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"No HTML Club" stands as the only logical step forward in this evolution. Browsers are perfectly capable of rendering plaintext, what could we ever need those p

by ftl64 3y ago

"No HTML Club" stands as the only logical step forward in this evolution. Browsers are perfectly capable of rendering plaintext, what could we ever need those pesky "tags" for?

hk__2 3y ago
> what could we ever need those pesky "tags" for? Links.
- adr1an 3y ago
  Not really if you know how to copy and paste :) (Keeping with the sarcastic tone of the ftl64 comment)
- nicoco 3y ago
  Hyper ones.
- 6510 3y ago
  Clicking on links is a bad idea, links are a bad idea. Besides from the horrendous potential for wasting your time you expose your reader to all kinds of dangers. Links could be changed in ways you don't control. They could point at offensive content, thinks you are not suppose to know, illegal things, phishing websites, hackers and much more you are better of not knowing about. https://securityforeveryone.com/blog/unknown-danger-clicking-unknown-links https://securityforeveryone.com/blog/unknown-danger-clicking... Just like writing a program put all relevant information inline in the txt.
edent 3y ago
I agree. That's why I made http://no-ht.ml/ http://no-ht.ml/ I submitted it to the site a few minutes ago.
- ftl64 3y ago
  This is art. Perfection, even.
- jwilk 3y ago
  Discussed on HN last year: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33645398 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33645398 (32 comments)
  - drivers99 3y ago
    Ah, cool, someone already had the same thought: > I'll eagerly await the ASCII-only "You Don't Need Unicode"
    - em-bee 3y ago
      the foreign language speakers here would like to have a word...
      - innocenat 3y ago
        Good old codepage to the rescue! (Yes, I know technically codepage isn't ASCII. I guess you could use box drawing extension to draw foreign language character if you wanted. Or maybe just SVG of the text)
        em-bee 3y ago
        please not codepages. finally being able to write multiple languages in a single document, which is something i need to do frequently, really makes a difference. codepages were a nightmare compared to the simplicity that unicode is in this aspect.
        innocenat 3y ago
        Yes, that's the joke.
      - ris58h 3y ago
        ... but they couldn't...
      - vunuxodo 3y ago
- Fred34 3y ago
  Nice ASCII art
- jonatron 3y ago
  If you serve this with: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 You can actually have no HTML at all
  - edent 3y ago
    I did try that, but a few mobile browsers seemed to choke without at least something vaguely HTMLish.
  - devoutsalsa 3y ago
    I prefer “application/json”. The user can write their own interface.
  - Lockal 3y ago
    What happens when server responds with text/plain and css? https://blog.openreplay.com/incorporating-css-to-a-page-via-http-headers/ https://blog.openreplay.com/incorporating-css-to-a-page-via-... (no time to check, only works in Firefox, but that's one idea on how to trick the system) Upd: checked and it works (e. g. add `Link: <https://unpkg.com/chota@latest https://unpkg.com/chota@latest>;rel=stylesheet;media=all`)
- fjert 3y ago
  Looks even better with view source on a dark background
- _Algernon_ 3y ago
  Perfection
- tentacleuno 3y ago
  Honestly, it looks really good. Cool work!
- dist-epoch 3y ago
  Honestly your site is unnecessarily bloated with Unicode. For an English language site, ASCII is enough.
  - SketchySeaBeast 3y ago
    I see you too read the flow chart.
  - Tomte 3y ago
    Unless you go to a café.
  - deleted 3y ago
    [deleted]
- toastal 3y ago
  These make me feel weird. On one hand, I love the way justified way it takes me back to old READMEs, GameFAQs, etc. but on the other all accessibility is thrown out the window.
- dicytea 3y ago
  The table didn't render that well for me: https://i.imgur.com/afFkYe1.png https://i.imgur.com/afFkYe1.png
  - edent 3y ago
    I suggest you upgrade to a newer version of Internet Explorer.
- unsungNovelty 3y ago
  I like the work you share Edent. Big fan of SuperTinyIcons!
goodpoint 3y ago
No HTML and no HTTP would be even better, unironically.
- em-bee 3y ago
  right, because FTP was working just fine.
  - thefurdrake 3y ago
    Telnet was clearly better.
    - em-bee 3y ago
      well, obviously! just the other day i logged into a MUD which presented me with an interactive world with a graphical map in color. the same MUD has a built-in http server so it can display the same information with the interactive and feature rich, yet compact telnet interface, as well as the round-trip heavy and verbose http/html interface.
pjmlp 3y ago
Great, finally back to the golden age of OS specific native applications with networking protocols.
mypastself 3y ago
Look at Mr. hoity-toity here with his use of ASCII, as though ones and zeros alone can’t do the job.
NoMoreNicksLeft 3y ago
The "No HTTP Club". Take a look at this beauty... ftp://192.168.3.79/bestmo~4.txt Of course, none of you have accounts, so please go ahead and postal-mail me for one, I'll get back to you in 6-8 weeks. NO HTTP CLUB PO Box 1147 Chungus AL 35035
- nextaccountic 3y ago
  Also no DNS club and quite likely no Unicode club as well (haven't checked)
kidsil 3y ago
Made a CSS-only website just a few days ago https://www.kidsil.net/2023/07/css-only/ https://www.kidsil.net/2023/07/css-only/

by ftl64 3y ago

"No HTML Club" stands as the only logical step forward in this evolution. Browsers are perfectly capable of rendering plaintext, what could we ever need those pesky "tags" for?

hk__2 3y ago

> what could we ever need those pesky "tags" for? Links.

adr1an 3y ago
Not really if you know how to copy and paste :) (Keeping with the sarcastic tone of the ftl64 comment)
nicoco 3y ago
Hyper ones.
6510 3y ago
Clicking on links is a bad idea, links are a bad idea. Besides from the horrendous potential for wasting your time you expose your reader to all kinds of dangers. Links could be changed in ways you don't control. They could point at offensive content, thinks you are not suppose to know, illegal things, phishing websites, hackers and much more you are better of not knowing about. https://securityforeveryone.com/blog/unknown-danger-clicking-unknown-links https://securityforeveryone.com/blog/unknown-danger-clicking... Just like writing a program put all relevant information inline in the txt.

edent 3y ago

I agree. That's why I made http://no-ht.ml/ http://no-ht.ml/ I submitted it to the site a few minutes ago.

ftl64 3y ago
This is art. Perfection, even.
jwilk 3y ago
Discussed on HN last year: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33645398 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33645398 (32 comments)
- drivers99 3y ago
  Ah, cool, someone already had the same thought: > I'll eagerly await the ASCII-only "You Don't Need Unicode"
  - em-bee 3y ago
    the foreign language speakers here would like to have a word...
    - innocenat 3y ago
      Good old codepage to the rescue! (Yes, I know technically codepage isn't ASCII. I guess you could use box drawing extension to draw foreign language character if you wanted. Or maybe just SVG of the text)
      - em-bee 3y ago
        please not codepages. finally being able to write multiple languages in a single document, which is something i need to do frequently, really makes a difference. codepages were a nightmare compared to the simplicity that unicode is in this aspect.
        innocenat 3y ago
        Yes, that's the joke.
    - ris58h 3y ago
      ... but they couldn't...
    - vunuxodo 3y ago
Fred34 3y ago
Nice ASCII art
jonatron 3y ago
If you serve this with: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 You can actually have no HTML at all
- edent 3y ago
  I did try that, but a few mobile browsers seemed to choke without at least something vaguely HTMLish.
- devoutsalsa 3y ago
  I prefer “application/json”. The user can write their own interface.
- Lockal 3y ago
  What happens when server responds with text/plain and css? https://blog.openreplay.com/incorporating-css-to-a-page-via-http-headers/ https://blog.openreplay.com/incorporating-css-to-a-page-via-... (no time to check, only works in Firefox, but that's one idea on how to trick the system) Upd: checked and it works (e. g. add `Link: <https://unpkg.com/chota@latest https://unpkg.com/chota@latest>;rel=stylesheet;media=all`)
fjert 3y ago
Looks even better with view source on a dark background
_Algernon_ 3y ago
Perfection
tentacleuno 3y ago
Honestly, it looks really good. Cool work!
dist-epoch 3y ago
Honestly your site is unnecessarily bloated with Unicode. For an English language site, ASCII is enough.
- SketchySeaBeast 3y ago
  I see you too read the flow chart.
- Tomte 3y ago
  Unless you go to a café.
- deleted 3y ago
  [deleted]
toastal 3y ago
These make me feel weird. On one hand, I love the way justified way it takes me back to old READMEs, GameFAQs, etc. but on the other all accessibility is thrown out the window.
dicytea 3y ago
The table didn't render that well for me: https://i.imgur.com/afFkYe1.png https://i.imgur.com/afFkYe1.png
- edent 3y ago
  I suggest you upgrade to a newer version of Internet Explorer.
unsungNovelty 3y ago
I like the work you share Edent. Big fan of SuperTinyIcons!

goodpoint 3y ago

No HTML and no HTTP would be even better, unironically.

em-bee 3y ago
right, because FTP was working just fine.
- thefurdrake 3y ago
  Telnet was clearly better.
  - em-bee 3y ago
    well, obviously! just the other day i logged into a MUD which presented me with an interactive world with a graphical map in color. the same MUD has a built-in http server so it can display the same information with the interactive and feature rich, yet compact telnet interface, as well as the round-trip heavy and verbose http/html interface.

pjmlp 3y ago

Great, finally back to the golden age of OS specific native applications with networking protocols.

mypastself 3y ago

Look at Mr. hoity-toity here with his use of ASCII, as though ones and zeros alone can’t do the job.

NoMoreNicksLeft 3y ago

The "No HTTP Club". Take a look at this beauty... ftp://192.168.3.79/bestmo~4.txt Of course, none of you have accounts, so please go ahead and postal-mail me for one, I'll get back to you in 6-8 weeks. NO HTTP CLUB PO Box 1147 Chungus AL 35035

nextaccountic 3y ago
Also no DNS club and quite likely no Unicode club as well (haven't checked)

kidsil 3y ago

Made a CSS-only website just a few days ago https://www.kidsil.net/2023/07/css-only/ https://www.kidsil.net/2023/07/css-only/