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More like "the terminal challenge." Curses-based programs (like vim, mutt and lynx) still have graphical user interfaces, they just have really shitty graphics.

by enneff 15y ago

More like "the terminal challenge." Curses-based programs (like vim, mutt and lynx) still have graphical user interfaces, they just have really shitty graphics. (And that's not a criticism of those programs.) Try spending a week using just ed, mail, and curl. Those are actual command-line programs, not just terminal-based programs. The litmus test is whether they would work with a real paper teletype.

seancron 15y ago
"When I log into my Xenix system with my 110 baud teletype, both vi and Emacs are just too damn slow. They print useless messages like, ‘C-h for help’ and ‘“foo” File is read only’. So I use the editor that doesn't waste my VALUABLE time. Ed, man! !man ed" http://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/ed.msg.html http://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/ed.msg.html
derleth 15y ago
Curses-based programs (like vim, mutt and lynx) still have graphical user interfaces, they just have really shitty graphics. (And that's not a criticism of those programs.) I'd say the keyboard-centricness still separates them from, say, Eclipse.
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- koningrobot 15y ago
  For those looking for a keyboard-driven browser, try http://conkeror.org/ http://conkeror.org/
  - klez 15y ago
    or http://uzbl.org http://uzbl.org
    - icebraining 15y ago
      or http://dactyl.sourceforge.net/pentadactyl/ http://dactyl.sourceforge.net/pentadactyl/ or http://luakit.org/projects/luakit/ http://luakit.org/projects/luakit/
dredmorbius 15y ago
Actually, more and more of the text-mode / console browsers have graphical support. The real challenge these days is javascript. I'm not aware of a text-mode browser that interprets javascript. I'd also like to give a plug for w3m. It's far more user-friendly than lynx, and IMO more advanced than elinks.
- tsm 15y ago
  elinks has a very basic JS interpreter. http://elinks.or.cz/documentation/manual.html#ecmascript http://elinks.or.cz/documentation/manual.html#ecmascript
  - dredmorbius 15y ago
    Cool, thanks.
chalst 15y ago
Agreed. I think we can be more purist still: menu-driven UIs are not really command line either. MH has a truly command-line UI for mail, while the mail program doesn't. Some years back, I spent a couple of days trying to use ed for some serious text preparation work before I decided this was not the kind of experiment one should do when better tools are available and real work needs to be done. Using nmh (an MH reimplementation) used to be a pleasure, until its clumsy handling of HTML (quite a bit worse than mutt) began to overwhelm the whole user experience.

by enneff 15y ago

seancron 15y ago

"When I log into my Xenix system with my 110 baud teletype, both vi and Emacs are just too damn slow. They print useless messages like, ‘C-h for help’ and ‘“foo” File is read only’. So I use the editor that doesn't waste my VALUABLE time. Ed, man! !man ed" http://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/ed.msg.html http://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/ed.msg.html

derleth 15y ago

Curses-based programs (like vim, mutt and lynx) still have graphical user interfaces, they just have really shitty graphics. (And that's not a criticism of those programs.) I'd say the keyboard-centricness still separates them from, say, Eclipse.

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koningrobot 15y ago
For those looking for a keyboard-driven browser, try http://conkeror.org/ http://conkeror.org/
- klez 15y ago
  or http://uzbl.org http://uzbl.org
  - icebraining 15y ago
    or http://dactyl.sourceforge.net/pentadactyl/ http://dactyl.sourceforge.net/pentadactyl/ or http://luakit.org/projects/luakit/ http://luakit.org/projects/luakit/

dredmorbius 15y ago

Actually, more and more of the text-mode / console browsers have graphical support. The real challenge these days is javascript. I'm not aware of a text-mode browser that interprets javascript. I'd also like to give a plug for w3m. It's far more user-friendly than lynx, and IMO more advanced than elinks.

tsm 15y ago
elinks has a very basic JS interpreter. http://elinks.or.cz/documentation/manual.html#ecmascript http://elinks.or.cz/documentation/manual.html#ecmascript
- dredmorbius 15y ago
  Cool, thanks.

chalst 15y ago

Agreed. I think we can be more purist still: menu-driven UIs are not really command line either. MH has a truly command-line UI for mail, while the mail program doesn't. Some years back, I spent a couple of days trying to use ed for some serious text preparation work before I decided this was not the kind of experiment one should do when better tools are available and real work needs to be done. Using nmh (an MH reimplementation) used to be a pleasure, until its clumsy handling of HTML (quite a bit worse than mutt) began to overwhelm the whole user experience.