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My hot take is that hobby pilots are a bunch of selfish assholes creating a bunch of noise and emissions just do they can have fun. So selfish they only started

My hot take is that hobby pilots are a bunch of selfish assholes creating a bunch of noise and emissions just do they can have fun. So selfish they only started thinking about removing lead from fuel very recently. One of the aircraft is even called a mosquito so the industry is so aware of the issue they're making a joke out of it. At least commercial aircraft have a purpose and try to be as quiet as possible. Fuck pilots.

entropy47 3y ago
> creating a bunch of noise and emissions just so they can have fun Wait until you hear about parents! I haven't actually done the maths but I expect an ultralight is comparable to a car hobbyist in both noise and emissions. Agree that flying a jet liner for fun would be a dick move.
- andersrs 3y ago
  Yeah I hate those kind of people as well when they are noisy. Is that supposed to be an argument?
  - entropy47 3y ago
    Yes. I think my core thesis is that if noise and pollution upsets you, then I would spend less time complaining about a niche hobby that barely effects anybody, and a lot more time getting annoyed about really common hobbies, business patterns and lifestyle choices that are destroying the planet. And I think the obvious counter is "that's whataboutism, you can care about lots of things at once" but I personally am pretty fatigued with just causes, so when I see people complaining about hobby aviation in ultralights I just see it as a distraction that pulls time, focus and attention from bigger problems. All of this is, of course, completely subjective. But that was the intent behind the comment.
    - andersrs 3y ago
      I do actually post about other pollution like (micro)plastics. But this thread is not about that. Back to the scope of the thread: The reason I find it so distasteful is that the pilots have a big noise footprint. One aircraft can be heard by thousands of people. That one person has a disproportionate effect compared to the neighbours lawnmower which can only be heard by a few dozen people. I understand your argument that there aren't that many aircraft but I must say those few people are punching orders of magnitudes above their weight when it comes to noise.

entropy47 3y ago

> creating a bunch of noise and emissions just so they can have fun Wait until you hear about parents! I haven't actually done the maths but I expect an ultralight is comparable to a car hobbyist in both noise and emissions. Agree that flying a jet liner for fun would be a dick move.

andersrs 3y ago
Yeah I hate those kind of people as well when they are noisy. Is that supposed to be an argument?
- entropy47 3y ago
  Yes. I think my core thesis is that if noise and pollution upsets you, then I would spend less time complaining about a niche hobby that barely effects anybody, and a lot more time getting annoyed about really common hobbies, business patterns and lifestyle choices that are destroying the planet. And I think the obvious counter is "that's whataboutism, you can care about lots of things at once" but I personally am pretty fatigued with just causes, so when I see people complaining about hobby aviation in ultralights I just see it as a distraction that pulls time, focus and attention from bigger problems. All of this is, of course, completely subjective. But that was the intent behind the comment.
  - andersrs 3y ago
    I do actually post about other pollution like (micro)plastics. But this thread is not about that. Back to the scope of the thread: The reason I find it so distasteful is that the pilots have a big noise footprint. One aircraft can be heard by thousands of people. That one person has a disproportionate effect compared to the neighbours lawnmower which can only be heard by a few dozen people. I understand your argument that there aren't that many aircraft but I must say those few people are punching orders of magnitudes above their weight when it comes to noise.