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> I want an ARM workstation. This isn't it. The RK3588 is actually a pretty decently spec'd SoC. It's a dual cluster with 4xA76 (P-cluster) and 4xA55 (E-cluste

> I want an ARM workstation. This isn't it. The RK3588 is actually a pretty decently spec'd SoC. It's a dual cluster with 4xA76 (P-cluster) and 4xA55 (E-cluster). Neoverse-N1 is nearly identical to an A76 and it what most cloud vendors offer and it's performance is generally decent. It's only four P cores but it's no slouch by any means.

fmajid 3y ago
It’s half the speed of a 4 year old iPhone 11. So yes, a total slouch, like all the non-phone ARM SOCs, only useful in low-power embedded applications.
- sweetjuly 3y ago
  Sure, but the iPhone 11 [1] is also 17% faster in single core Geekbench 5 scores than the Intel i9-9880H [2] that Apple was using in their top of the line MacBook Pros back then too, so "a four year old iPhone" is not exactly some old and unusably slow processor. Apple's mobile SoCs were (and largely still are) in a performance class of their own. Half as fast single core on the RK3588's P-cores is still perfectly usable for workstation activities, in fact that's about what you'd get on an i5-8210Y MacBook Air from 2018 [3] which I'm sure a few people here are using as their daily driver. [1] https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/21459716 https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/21459716 [2] https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/21459261 https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/21459261 [3] https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/21415175 https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/21415175
cmrdporcupine 3y ago
The issue is the lack of real PC-quality I/O interfaces.
- sweetjuly 3y ago
  The SoC does have 4xPCIe 3 lanes and 1xPCIe 2 lanes. The lack of IO is purely a board design issue, you can open KiCad and fix this problem right now.
  - cmrdporcupine 3y ago
    All the more reason why this product is so garbage. They could have made what they're advertising (a PC) by doing that... but instead they just slapped a SBC barely better than an RPi in a case and marked the price way up. Disappointing.

fmajid 3y ago

It’s half the speed of a 4 year old iPhone 11. So yes, a total slouch, like all the non-phone ARM SOCs, only useful in low-power embedded applications.

sweetjuly 3y ago
Sure, but the iPhone 11 [1] is also 17% faster in single core Geekbench 5 scores than the Intel i9-9880H [2] that Apple was using in their top of the line MacBook Pros back then too, so "a four year old iPhone" is not exactly some old and unusably slow processor. Apple's mobile SoCs were (and largely still are) in a performance class of their own. Half as fast single core on the RK3588's P-cores is still perfectly usable for workstation activities, in fact that's about what you'd get on an i5-8210Y MacBook Air from 2018 [3] which I'm sure a few people here are using as their daily driver. [1] https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/21459716 https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/21459716 [2] https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/21459261 https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/21459261 [3] https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/21415175 https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/21415175

cmrdporcupine 3y ago

The issue is the lack of real PC-quality I/O interfaces.

sweetjuly 3y ago
The SoC does have 4xPCIe 3 lanes and 1xPCIe 2 lanes. The lack of IO is purely a board design issue, you can open KiCad and fix this problem right now.
- cmrdporcupine 3y ago
  All the more reason why this product is so garbage. They could have made what they're advertising (a PC) by doing that... but instead they just slapped a SBC barely better than an RPi in a case and marked the price way up. Disappointing.