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Not an expert, but I wonder if all the redditors who would be mad about it have already jumped ship and gone to federated alternatives, and all the redditors wh

Not an expert, but I wonder if all the redditors who would be mad about it have already jumped ship and gone to federated alternatives, and all the redditors who are left are the ones who don't care and are watching the chaos with popcorn. If you're asking about the moderators, they were forced to either reopen or be un-modded. They did what they could.

LeFantome 3y ago
What alternatives? I am here because I lost access to Reddit. Lemmy is not a replacement. A totally different experience for every sub-Reddit is not going to work. Reddit was pitched as The Front Page of the Internet. Where is the front page of Lemmy?
- ParetoOptimal 3y ago
  > Reddit was pitched as The Front Page of the Internet. Where is the front page of Lemmy? https://wefwef.app https://wefwef.app > Lemmy is not a replacement. A totally different experience for every sub-Reddit is not going to work. Not sure what you mean.
  - sleight42 3y ago
    Probably means [this](https://tenforward.social/@elight/110708424512879073 https://tenforward.social/@elight/110708424512879073) and [this](https://tenforward.social/@elight/110696839817687860 https://tenforward.social/@elight/110696839817687860).
    - rakoo 3y ago
      There's a bit of conflating terms but the underlying point makes sense: topics shouldn't be linked with an instance, they should reach across different servers. This is what groups are for, and are being actively worked on.
      - sleight42 3y ago
        "Groups... are being actively worked on." Where? By who? For what platform? Show me?
- holler 3y ago
  You're welcome on Sqwok (https://sqwok.im https://sqwok.im), it's chat based, in active dev
  - mrweasel 3y ago
    If that's you idea of a Reddit replacement, then you've been using Reddit very different from most people. The issue with replacing Reddit is that you need millions of users to crowd-source all that information that has gone into every minor sub-reddit. I don't think it's sub-reddits like /r/askreddit, /r/pics or /r/politics that people would be missing in a Reddit clone. It's all the small specialized sub-reddit, where you could get help fixing a lawnmower or debate the finer points of the various aspect ratios of national flags.
    - holler 3y ago
      I wouldn't say it's a replacement, rather it's a new experience focused on what I believe is a shortcoming with current social media sites in that they aren't optimized for live discussion. For instance you mention "debate the finer points of various aspect ratios". Current social networks are not very good for actual debate, in fact the genesis of Sqwok can be traced to a live debate in r/worldnews where I grew tired of refreshing the page. Many of the alternatives popping up for both Twitter & Reddit are cloning the underlying data model and user interface without offering much more. Sqwok is different in that it couples some of the familiar aspects of existing social networking with high quality instant messaging, designed from the ground up for live public debate and discussion in a new format. Still has a long way to go but I believe there's a place for it. > The issue with replacing Reddit is that you need millions of users to crowd-source all that information Reddit didn't start out with subreddits or millions of people, it was just a fun place to read the news.
- mrweasel 3y ago
  Usenet? The more I think about it, Reddit is just Usenet with better moderation and voting. The voting doesn't make that much sense in the smaller sub-reddits where you'd typically read all the posts anyway. So that basically just leaves you with building better moderation. Still a hard problem, but not impossible. If we had spent the time building better NNTP clients, rather than trying to integrate with the API of single company, I think we could have had the possibility at least of having true communities.
  - toyg 3y ago
    NNTP was a bit of a dumpster fire though. Each ISP carrying some groups, or none at all, losing messages left and right ... Those problems cannot be solved with a better client, they were fundamental issues. Now, if you had said "if we had spent the time building a better NNTP protocol and servers", I would have agreed. In the end, that's basically what the fediverse is.
    - mrweasel 3y ago
      The fediverse might be technically better, but it's a big mess. Is it PubSub, is it Mastodon, Lemmy, Podcasting 2.0? We're trying to put way to many project and ideas into "The Fediverse" to provide a clear trajectory. I feel like it would have been easier to fix NNTP. It had at least a clear focus.
- phatskat 3y ago
  Same, I mostly came to HN through search results or links out of Reddit. Once Apollo shut down I pretty much was done - I only ever used Alien Blue and when it got bought, I was off Reddit until Apollo came along. HN is where I’ll be for my daily news stuff, and I’m actively looking for communities and forums around my more niche interests and hobbies.
mvdtnz 3y ago
No one (within the margin of error) has gone to "federated alternatives". No one cares about "federated" or "decentralised" or any of this nonesense.
- alienzx 3y ago
  I was skeptical too. Lemmy has grown exponentially in the last few months and I've found it to be an adequate replacement after learning the basics. I was skeptical about reddit in 2008 and hesitated to leave digg.
  - SketchySeaBeast 3y ago
    The only real pain with Lemmy right now is that it doesn't have all the niche sub Reddits due to lower population. Hopefully that'll change, because that's Reddit's real draw for me, not just shitposting and memes, which Lemmy is now doing a decent job with.
- rakoo 3y ago
  Your broad statement is ridiculous. I am not friends with 3 billions of people, but many people I care about are on the fediverse; everyone (within the margin of error) is on the fediverse. No one (within the margin of error) cares about a tech forum hosted by a VC (from https://whaly.io/posts/hacker-news-2021-retrospective https://whaly.io/posts/hacker-news-2021-retrospective). And yet here we are. Please don't use only your tech and stats goggles to analyze the situation, understand that we are talking about people with a vast range of experiences and wants and needs.

LeFantome 3y ago

What alternatives? I am here because I lost access to Reddit. Lemmy is not a replacement. A totally different experience for every sub-Reddit is not going to work. Reddit was pitched as The Front Page of the Internet. Where is the front page of Lemmy?

ParetoOptimal 3y ago
> Reddit was pitched as The Front Page of the Internet. Where is the front page of Lemmy? https://wefwef.app https://wefwef.app > Lemmy is not a replacement. A totally different experience for every sub-Reddit is not going to work. Not sure what you mean.
- sleight42 3y ago
  Probably means [this](https://tenforward.social/@elight/110708424512879073 https://tenforward.social/@elight/110708424512879073) and [this](https://tenforward.social/@elight/110696839817687860 https://tenforward.social/@elight/110696839817687860).
  - rakoo 3y ago
    There's a bit of conflating terms but the underlying point makes sense: topics shouldn't be linked with an instance, they should reach across different servers. This is what groups are for, and are being actively worked on.
    - sleight42 3y ago
      "Groups... are being actively worked on." Where? By who? For what platform? Show me?
holler 3y ago
You're welcome on Sqwok (https://sqwok.im https://sqwok.im), it's chat based, in active dev
- mrweasel 3y ago
  If that's you idea of a Reddit replacement, then you've been using Reddit very different from most people. The issue with replacing Reddit is that you need millions of users to crowd-source all that information that has gone into every minor sub-reddit. I don't think it's sub-reddits like /r/askreddit, /r/pics or /r/politics that people would be missing in a Reddit clone. It's all the small specialized sub-reddit, where you could get help fixing a lawnmower or debate the finer points of the various aspect ratios of national flags.
  - holler 3y ago
    I wouldn't say it's a replacement, rather it's a new experience focused on what I believe is a shortcoming with current social media sites in that they aren't optimized for live discussion. For instance you mention "debate the finer points of various aspect ratios". Current social networks are not very good for actual debate, in fact the genesis of Sqwok can be traced to a live debate in r/worldnews where I grew tired of refreshing the page. Many of the alternatives popping up for both Twitter & Reddit are cloning the underlying data model and user interface without offering much more. Sqwok is different in that it couples some of the familiar aspects of existing social networking with high quality instant messaging, designed from the ground up for live public debate and discussion in a new format. Still has a long way to go but I believe there's a place for it. > The issue with replacing Reddit is that you need millions of users to crowd-source all that information Reddit didn't start out with subreddits or millions of people, it was just a fun place to read the news.
mrweasel 3y ago
Usenet? The more I think about it, Reddit is just Usenet with better moderation and voting. The voting doesn't make that much sense in the smaller sub-reddits where you'd typically read all the posts anyway. So that basically just leaves you with building better moderation. Still a hard problem, but not impossible. If we had spent the time building better NNTP clients, rather than trying to integrate with the API of single company, I think we could have had the possibility at least of having true communities.
- toyg 3y ago
  NNTP was a bit of a dumpster fire though. Each ISP carrying some groups, or none at all, losing messages left and right ... Those problems cannot be solved with a better client, they were fundamental issues. Now, if you had said "if we had spent the time building a better NNTP protocol and servers", I would have agreed. In the end, that's basically what the fediverse is.
  - mrweasel 3y ago
    The fediverse might be technically better, but it's a big mess. Is it PubSub, is it Mastodon, Lemmy, Podcasting 2.0? We're trying to put way to many project and ideas into "The Fediverse" to provide a clear trajectory. I feel like it would have been easier to fix NNTP. It had at least a clear focus.
phatskat 3y ago
Same, I mostly came to HN through search results or links out of Reddit. Once Apollo shut down I pretty much was done - I only ever used Alien Blue and when it got bought, I was off Reddit until Apollo came along. HN is where I’ll be for my daily news stuff, and I’m actively looking for communities and forums around my more niche interests and hobbies.

mvdtnz 3y ago

No one (within the margin of error) has gone to "federated alternatives". No one cares about "federated" or "decentralised" or any of this nonesense.

alienzx 3y ago
I was skeptical too. Lemmy has grown exponentially in the last few months and I've found it to be an adequate replacement after learning the basics. I was skeptical about reddit in 2008 and hesitated to leave digg.
- SketchySeaBeast 3y ago
  The only real pain with Lemmy right now is that it doesn't have all the niche sub Reddits due to lower population. Hopefully that'll change, because that's Reddit's real draw for me, not just shitposting and memes, which Lemmy is now doing a decent job with.
rakoo 3y ago
Your broad statement is ridiculous. I am not friends with 3 billions of people, but many people I care about are on the fediverse; everyone (within the margin of error) is on the fediverse. No one (within the margin of error) cares about a tech forum hosted by a VC (from https://whaly.io/posts/hacker-news-2021-retrospective https://whaly.io/posts/hacker-news-2021-retrospective). And yet here we are. Please don't use only your tech and stats goggles to analyze the situation, understand that we are talking about people with a vast range of experiences and wants and needs.