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Do socialists these days believe in individual land ownership? What does socialist SciFi say?

by mensetmanusman 3y ago

jfengel 3y ago
Socialism has always been primarily aimed at technological societies. Capitalism had already largely broken down feudal control of land. Socialism seeks to break capitalist control of things like factories. Russia and China tried to go directly from feudalism to socialism. Not to get all no-true-Scotsman but they weren't what Marx was predicting. Marx's real prediction failure was that England didn't have a socialist revolution. Modern socialists would care less about the land ownership than about the massive technologies that make farms insanely productive, while treating migrant workers as disposable machines. Ownership of your suburban lawn just doesn't figure into it. Maybe it would be different in a different kind of economy but it's not what socialist theory is about.
- drewcoo 3y ago
  > Capitalism had already largely broken down feudal control of land. This is in response to a comment about land ownership. So land ownership doesn't mean anything now? This explains why Bill Gates owns more of the US than any other person, right? > Russia and China tried to go directly from feudalism to socialism. I thought the goal was communism and socialism was used to get there. And I thought that USSR (not Russia) and China did what Engels would have called "state capitalism." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_capitalism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_capitalism > Ownership of your suburban lawn just doesn't figure into it. That's a flippant way to dismiss the GP's question of "individual land ownership." > it's not what socialist theory is about You seem to have different ideas about socialism than I do. So what exactly is socialist theory all about? And please explain praxis while you're at it.

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Do socialists these days believe in individual land ownership? What does socialist SciFi say?

by mensetmanusman 3y ago

Do socialists these days believe in individual land ownership? What does socialist SciFi say?

jfengel 3y ago
Socialism has always been primarily aimed at technological societies. Capitalism had already largely broken down feudal control of land. Socialism seeks to break capitalist control of things like factories. Russia and China tried to go directly from feudalism to socialism. Not to get all no-true-Scotsman but they weren't what Marx was predicting. Marx's real prediction failure was that England didn't have a socialist revolution. Modern socialists would care less about the land ownership than about the massive technologies that make farms insanely productive, while treating migrant workers as disposable machines. Ownership of your suburban lawn just doesn't figure into it. Maybe it would be different in a different kind of economy but it's not what socialist theory is about.
- drewcoo 3y ago
  > Capitalism had already largely broken down feudal control of land. This is in response to a comment about land ownership. So land ownership doesn't mean anything now? This explains why Bill Gates owns more of the US than any other person, right? > Russia and China tried to go directly from feudalism to socialism. I thought the goal was communism and socialism was used to get there. And I thought that USSR (not Russia) and China did what Engels would have called "state capitalism." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_capitalism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_capitalism > Ownership of your suburban lawn just doesn't figure into it. That's a flippant way to dismiss the GP's question of "individual land ownership." > it's not what socialist theory is about You seem to have different ideas about socialism than I do. So what exactly is socialist theory all about? And please explain praxis while you're at it.