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> human over-population in no way is this the root cause, in any real scientific analysis. it is literally just the rallying call of right wing politics.

nverno 3y ago
I'd say it is the root cause, since habitat destruction and pollution have been proportional to population size. If the human pop. hadn't grown geometrically throughout recent history, there almost certainly wouldn't have been the global decimation of wildlife/habitat we have today. To support such a large population, half of the earth's habitable land is currently being used for agriculture - that's a shitload of habitat destruction - that's not even accounting for all the rest of the space people use for homes, etc.
- krainboltgreene 3y ago
  You can say this stuff all you want, but not only do the facts not support it but also the analysis of the facts disproves these statements.
  - nverno 3y ago
    > half of the earth's habitable land is currently being used for agriculture This is a fact (to some margin of error). It's indisputable that humans require land to produce food through agriculture, and that amount of required land increases with population size. I'm curious what analysis could possibly show human population growth doesn't result in more wildlife habitat destruction. Since we stopped being hunter-gatherers, we've required agriculture to support large sedentary populations. Land use by humans/wildlife is generally a zero-sum game.
EGreg 3y ago
First of all, left-wing politics is the one advocating for less kids. Elon Musk is like “there’s no problem, guys, keep on having more kids!” and he himself did. Right wingers are pro life, and many religious ones advocate not even using condoms. Left wingers are the reason women now have so much education and careers that they postpone having children til their 30s. Anyway, the amount of resources and garbage is proportional to how many humans are on the planet. I don’t see what Elon Musk is so worried about “population collapse”. For an otherwise smart guy, he seems to be very mistaken about this core issue. Maybe he thinks we can escape to Mars and start over LOL
- krainboltgreene 3y ago
  > left-wing politics is the one advocating for less kids. In no way is this true. No left-wing organization is advocating for this, liberal organizations and activists are. > Left wingers are the reason women now have so much education and careers that they postpone having children til their 30s. Oh you're one of those people.

nverno 3y ago

I'd say it is the root cause, since habitat destruction and pollution have been proportional to population size. If the human pop. hadn't grown geometrically throughout recent history, there almost certainly wouldn't have been the global decimation of wildlife/habitat we have today. To support such a large population, half of the earth's habitable land is currently being used for agriculture - that's a shitload of habitat destruction - that's not even accounting for all the rest of the space people use for homes, etc.

krainboltgreene 3y ago
You can say this stuff all you want, but not only do the facts not support it but also the analysis of the facts disproves these statements.
- nverno 3y ago
  > half of the earth's habitable land is currently being used for agriculture This is a fact (to some margin of error). It's indisputable that humans require land to produce food through agriculture, and that amount of required land increases with population size. I'm curious what analysis could possibly show human population growth doesn't result in more wildlife habitat destruction. Since we stopped being hunter-gatherers, we've required agriculture to support large sedentary populations. Land use by humans/wildlife is generally a zero-sum game.

EGreg 3y ago

First of all, left-wing politics is the one advocating for less kids. Elon Musk is like “there’s no problem, guys, keep on having more kids!” and he himself did. Right wingers are pro life, and many religious ones advocate not even using condoms. Left wingers are the reason women now have so much education and careers that they postpone having children til their 30s. Anyway, the amount of resources and garbage is proportional to how many humans are on the planet. I don’t see what Elon Musk is so worried about “population collapse”. For an otherwise smart guy, he seems to be very mistaken about this core issue. Maybe he thinks we can escape to Mars and start over LOL

krainboltgreene 3y ago
> left-wing politics is the one advocating for less kids. In no way is this true. No left-wing organization is advocating for this, liberal organizations and activists are. > Left wingers are the reason women now have so much education and careers that they postpone having children til their 30s. Oh you're one of those people.