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Vitamin C is hard to be deficient in, so it’s no surprise that nobody needs it. It’s why multivitamins look bad in research: it’s unethical to craft a study whe

Vitamin C is hard to be deficient in, so it’s no surprise that nobody needs it. It’s why multivitamins look bad in research: it’s unethical to craft a study where people are deficient, so you’re just comparing cohorts of non deficient people.

LinuxBender 3y ago
It probably also does not help that the studies are done using a synthetic ascorbic acid that has the wrong pH levels and are missing the synergistic trace elements that are always found in plants that have vitamin C. So we need a large number of deficient people and to feed them a lot of raw guava or raw sweet red peppers. I know where to find deficient people but doubt we would be allowed to experiment on them even if they volunteered and it meant free food.
- hn_throwaway_99 3y ago
  That pretty much defeats the whole purpose of this research in the first place. The tested theory is that "If you get a cold, mega doses of vitamin C will help it go away faster." It's not a theory that has anything to do with "Your cold will go away faster if you also have scurvy."
  - LinuxBender 3y ago
    Agreed it's not valid nor have any of the other studies. It would be very difficult to find someone only deficient in C. Usually when people are deficient in they are are missing many other confounding and compounding elements as well. It's like watching Mythbusters which makes me want to make a show called MythBusterBusters. obscure reference to all the silly dogmatic scientismatic methods that show used albeit entertaining.
- jibbit 3y ago
  Hundreds of people in the uk treated for scurvy in the last year
  - canucker2016 3y ago
    Darn limeys. :) [Mansplaining note: British sailors were given the nickname "limey" due to the use of limes to ward off scurvy - see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limey https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limey - note that limes have 1/4 the vitamin c of lemons and the processing and storage of lime juice destroyed much of the remaining vitamin c] A relative heard of a college student who lived on nothing but Kraft Dinner and Red Bull. This student eventually had to get treated for scurvy.
  - Bender 3y ago
    I was thinking about testing volunteer Uyghurs, Kazakhs and Kyrgyz but we have to liberate them first. They are deficient in just about everything. I'm skipping ahead.
- majkinetor 3y ago
  There is no such thing as natural Vitamin C. Animal livers produce it from glucose.
xk_id 3y ago
Vit C deficiency is a concern on ketogenic/non-plant based diets
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- 1letterunixname 3y ago
  Strict keto and carnivorous diets are inherently unhealthy, wasteful, and terrible for the climate, pollution, pandemic evolution, and antibiotic resistance.
  - defensem3ch 3y ago
    you must be trying to make people sick on purpose!
  - xk_id 3y ago
    Not sure what you mean by strict keto. You’re either metabolically in ketosis, or not. And there are a surprising number of health benefits to ketosis. I’m saying this as a vegan, these are just the facts.
    - nextaccountic 3y ago
      It may cause liver damage though. (Also, it's a little harder but you can do a vegan keto diet: https://www.reddit.com/r/veganketo/ https://www.reddit.com/r/veganketo/)
      - xk_id 3y ago
        Yeah, seeds, nuts and likewise nutritionally dense vegetables, like kale, can take you a long way. Alongside soy protein isolate.
1letterunixname 3y ago
Humans and some other animals lost the ability to synthesize vitamin C endogenously (GULO/GULOP). Strepsirrhini (lorises, etc.) primates retained it while Haplorhini (humans and such) lost it. It's speculated that the loss is preferentially adaptive to starvation survival, which isn't really a concern anymore for overfed modern humans. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22294879/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22294879/

LinuxBender 3y ago

It probably also does not help that the studies are done using a synthetic ascorbic acid that has the wrong pH levels and are missing the synergistic trace elements that are always found in plants that have vitamin C. So we need a large number of deficient people and to feed them a lot of raw guava or raw sweet red peppers. I know where to find deficient people but doubt we would be allowed to experiment on them even if they volunteered and it meant free food.

hn_throwaway_99 3y ago
That pretty much defeats the whole purpose of this research in the first place. The tested theory is that "If you get a cold, mega doses of vitamin C will help it go away faster." It's not a theory that has anything to do with "Your cold will go away faster if you also have scurvy."
- LinuxBender 3y ago
  Agreed it's not valid nor have any of the other studies. It would be very difficult to find someone only deficient in C. Usually when people are deficient in they are are missing many other confounding and compounding elements as well. It's like watching Mythbusters which makes me want to make a show called MythBusterBusters. obscure reference to all the silly dogmatic scientismatic methods that show used albeit entertaining.
jibbit 3y ago
Hundreds of people in the uk treated for scurvy in the last year
- canucker2016 3y ago
  Darn limeys. :) [Mansplaining note: British sailors were given the nickname "limey" due to the use of limes to ward off scurvy - see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limey https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limey - note that limes have 1/4 the vitamin c of lemons and the processing and storage of lime juice destroyed much of the remaining vitamin c] A relative heard of a college student who lived on nothing but Kraft Dinner and Red Bull. This student eventually had to get treated for scurvy.
- Bender 3y ago
  I was thinking about testing volunteer Uyghurs, Kazakhs and Kyrgyz but we have to liberate them first. They are deficient in just about everything. I'm skipping ahead.
majkinetor 3y ago
There is no such thing as natural Vitamin C. Animal livers produce it from glucose.

xk_id 3y ago

Vit C deficiency is a concern on ketogenic/non-plant based diets

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1letterunixname 3y ago
Strict keto and carnivorous diets are inherently unhealthy, wasteful, and terrible for the climate, pollution, pandemic evolution, and antibiotic resistance.
- defensem3ch 3y ago
  you must be trying to make people sick on purpose!
- xk_id 3y ago
  Not sure what you mean by strict keto. You’re either metabolically in ketosis, or not. And there are a surprising number of health benefits to ketosis. I’m saying this as a vegan, these are just the facts.
  - nextaccountic 3y ago
    It may cause liver damage though. (Also, it's a little harder but you can do a vegan keto diet: https://www.reddit.com/r/veganketo/ https://www.reddit.com/r/veganketo/)
    - xk_id 3y ago
      Yeah, seeds, nuts and likewise nutritionally dense vegetables, like kale, can take you a long way. Alongside soy protein isolate.

1letterunixname 3y ago

Humans and some other animals lost the ability to synthesize vitamin C endogenously (GULO/GULOP). Strepsirrhini (lorises, etc.) primates retained it while Haplorhini (humans and such) lost it. It's speculated that the loss is preferentially adaptive to starvation survival, which isn't really a concern anymore for overfed modern humans. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22294879/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22294879/