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AFAIK the construction of new kanji is a novelty, not something of any real importance in communication. Japan has embraced UTF-8, and before that they embrace

by wk_end 3y ago

AFAIK the construction of new kanji is a novelty, not something of any real importance in communication. Japan has embraced UTF-8, and before that they embraced Shift-JIS - a homegrown encoding that also didn't support constructing new characters. Is there any encoding that works well for this particular case? AFAIK there aren't any of any prominence, which suggests that it's a non-issue - surely if constructing new characters was important to them, Japanese or Chinese or Taiwanese computer scientists and standards organizations would push for some kind of encoding that enabled it.

hfhdjdks 3y ago
You're correct. Parent comment says something true (some / many characters don't have a representation in most fonts), but the inference it makes is wrong (this is a bottleneck for communication)
- Macha 3y ago
  And specifically these characters that are not present in mainstream fonts are getting so far down the long tail that most natives wouldn't know how to write them, so would result in e.g. hiragana in Japanese if they knew the word at all. To some extent computers have even increased the variety of kanji usage as you'll get textbooks that describe a word as "usually written in kana" because it's infrequent enough that an average Japanese person wouldn't be confident to handwrite it from scratch, and so twenty years ago that meant they had to use Hiragana. But in these days of computer IMEs when they type it in phonetically and get a list of options presented to them, they're confident enough to pick one, and so the kanji gets used a lot more.
  - anigbrowl 3y ago
    so far down the long tail that most natives wouldn't know how to write them True, but if we can't even display them then chunks of language are going to effectively disappear because people will have less and less opportunity to encounter them.
anigbrowl 3y ago
AFAIK the construction of new kanji is a novelty Yes, that's why I referred to it as a 'creative competition.' I think you're missing the main point that more than half of the characters on a relevant Wikipedia page don't display properly.

by wk_end 3y ago

hfhdjdks 3y ago

You're correct. Parent comment says something true (some / many characters don't have a representation in most fonts), but the inference it makes is wrong (this is a bottleneck for communication)

Macha 3y ago
And specifically these characters that are not present in mainstream fonts are getting so far down the long tail that most natives wouldn't know how to write them, so would result in e.g. hiragana in Japanese if they knew the word at all. To some extent computers have even increased the variety of kanji usage as you'll get textbooks that describe a word as "usually written in kana" because it's infrequent enough that an average Japanese person wouldn't be confident to handwrite it from scratch, and so twenty years ago that meant they had to use Hiragana. But in these days of computer IMEs when they type it in phonetically and get a list of options presented to them, they're confident enough to pick one, and so the kanji gets used a lot more.
- anigbrowl 3y ago
  so far down the long tail that most natives wouldn't know how to write them True, but if we can't even display them then chunks of language are going to effectively disappear because people will have less and less opportunity to encounter them.

anigbrowl 3y ago

AFAIK the construction of new kanji is a novelty Yes, that's why I referred to it as a 'creative competition.' I think you're missing the main point that more than half of the characters on a relevant Wikipedia page don't display properly.