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>being ruled by a family Nice hyperbole. Western monarchs have no real political power. They're just figureheads whose wealth is continually financed by the st

>being ruled by a family Nice hyperbole. Western monarchs have no real political power. They're just figureheads whose wealth is continually financed by the state. Which is stupid, but they're not rulers of anything other than their own lavish properties.

CaptainMarvel 3y ago
Utter rubbish. Prime ministers have long held weekly audiences with the monarch. The monarch has the right to review legislation before it is put to parliament. That mechanism has been used to change laws - in your lifetime, on this side of the century. These are just three examples from the top of my head.
- borski 3y ago
  > That mechanism has been used to change laws - in your lifetime, on this side of the century. I have no bone to pick, not knowing anything about the royal family, but do you have any examples of this happening?
  - avianlyric 3y ago
    There’s a number of UK laws with odd carve-outs for the royal family. A notable one is the Equality Act where there is a carve-out that allows the Royal family to discriminate with its hiring practices in a way that would be illegal for any other organisation. I don’t think there are any examples of significant changes to provisional laws, but certainly tweaks to make sure the royal family doesn’t have to keep with the times.
    - borski 3y ago
      Oh, sure - that I’d believe. The royal family has historically been the prototype for “above the law.” But I meant I wasn’t aware of any cases in which (in our lifetimes or relatively recently) the royal family had put their thumb on the scale of a law and had it modified in a way that changed it for the general citizenry of the UK.
      - rcarr 3y ago
        They've vetted over 1000 that may conflict with their interests. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/feb/08/royals-vetted-more-than-1000-laws-via-queens-consent https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/feb/08/royals-vette...
        borski 3y ago
        You missed my point - on any of these 1000 or more, did they change anything or stop them? If not, then it’s largely just procedural, at least in effect. That’s my point.
        rcarr 3y ago
        Yes. > The Queen successfully lobbied the government to change a draft law in order to conceal her “embarrassing” private wealth from the public, according to documents discovered by the Guardian. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/feb/07/revealed-queen-lobbied-for-change-in-law-to-hide-her-private-wealth https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/feb/07/revealed-que...
        borski 3y ago
        Thank you! That’s the dumbest shit ever, lol.
        rcarr 3y ago
        lol you should try living here, it tests your sanity
        borski 3y ago
        Is there anywhere that’s not true for?
        rcarr 3y ago
- avianlyric 3y ago
  Sorry those are three examples of what? They don’t shout unconstrained political power to me, they don’t even shout political power at all.
- jdietrich 3y ago
  The monarch cannot lawfully overrule parliament. The monarch is entitled to review legislation and express an opinion, but they must act on the advice of parliament. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_of_Rights_1689 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_of_Rights_1689

CaptainMarvel 3y ago

Utter rubbish. Prime ministers have long held weekly audiences with the monarch. The monarch has the right to review legislation before it is put to parliament. That mechanism has been used to change laws - in your lifetime, on this side of the century. These are just three examples from the top of my head.

borski 3y ago
> That mechanism has been used to change laws - in your lifetime, on this side of the century. I have no bone to pick, not knowing anything about the royal family, but do you have any examples of this happening?
- avianlyric 3y ago
  There’s a number of UK laws with odd carve-outs for the royal family. A notable one is the Equality Act where there is a carve-out that allows the Royal family to discriminate with its hiring practices in a way that would be illegal for any other organisation. I don’t think there are any examples of significant changes to provisional laws, but certainly tweaks to make sure the royal family doesn’t have to keep with the times.
  - borski 3y ago
    Oh, sure - that I’d believe. The royal family has historically been the prototype for “above the law.” But I meant I wasn’t aware of any cases in which (in our lifetimes or relatively recently) the royal family had put their thumb on the scale of a law and had it modified in a way that changed it for the general citizenry of the UK.
    - rcarr 3y ago
      They've vetted over 1000 that may conflict with their interests. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/feb/08/royals-vetted-more-than-1000-laws-via-queens-consent https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/feb/08/royals-vette...
      - borski 3y ago
        You missed my point - on any of these 1000 or more, did they change anything or stop them? If not, then it’s largely just procedural, at least in effect. That’s my point.
        rcarr 3y ago
        Yes. > The Queen successfully lobbied the government to change a draft law in order to conceal her “embarrassing” private wealth from the public, according to documents discovered by the Guardian. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/feb/07/revealed-queen-lobbied-for-change-in-law-to-hide-her-private-wealth https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/feb/07/revealed-que...
        borski 3y ago
        Thank you! That’s the dumbest shit ever, lol.
        rcarr 3y ago
        lol you should try living here, it tests your sanity
        borski 3y ago
        Is there anywhere that’s not true for?
        rcarr 3y ago
avianlyric 3y ago
Sorry those are three examples of what? They don’t shout unconstrained political power to me, they don’t even shout political power at all.
jdietrich 3y ago
The monarch cannot lawfully overrule parliament. The monarch is entitled to review legislation and express an opinion, but they must act on the advice of parliament. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_of_Rights_1689 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_of_Rights_1689