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China will care a lot about regulations in the US that prevent them from selling products to us. More so when the myriad US allies enforce similar laws, which t

China will care a lot about regulations in the US that prevent them from selling products to us. More so when the myriad US allies enforce similar laws, which the US can very trivially influence them to do. Anyway, my point isn't "we should regulate" or that "regulating will work". My point is that we need to start thinking much more seriously about our responsibilities because, if we don't, the government will do that thinking for us.

SV_BubbleTime 3y ago
Importing products made from IP theft is illegal. How effective has that been? (Before you care to answer that, know that I have a product that has been ripped off in China. My code is put onto cloned devices, and you can buy them on Amazon right now. We’ve gone from reporting, to lawyers, to working with customs police in USA, Canada, China, and Europe. We’ve even had multiple state reps, and two US Senators (for both states we produce in) involved. Nothing is effective and China really really really doesn’t care.) Anyone that says “China will care if we just…” has little idea of this situation in my opinion.
- insanitybit 3y ago
  I'm not saying that it would be the right way to go. I'm saying that other companies absolutely care about US policy. As for IP, this has increasingly led to tensions between the countries. To say that China doesn't care is silly, China cares and they spend a lot of effort making it viable to continue their practices.
  - SV_BubbleTime 3y ago
    >I'm saying that other companies absolutely care about US policy. Yea? Like Amazon and Walmart? It took a long time to get them to take our counterfeits down, and then only apply that to a vendor, so another pops up instantly. Here I am with first hand knowledge of the situation over years of difficulty and finally defeat, but your opinion is good too.
    - insanitybit 3y ago
      Yes, like those companies. They care a lot about the law. That's why they spend so much time and money trying to create new laws or defend themselves against the laws that they break. It takes serious effort for them. Your personal experience is irrelevant and is clearly biasing your opinion. It's obvious that companies care deeply about the law - even the ones who flaunt it do so only with great investment or with the belief that it will ultimately be worth it. Just because you were on the receiving end of the 'and it was worth it to them' does not change that.

SV_BubbleTime 3y ago

Importing products made from IP theft is illegal. How effective has that been? (Before you care to answer that, know that I have a product that has been ripped off in China. My code is put onto cloned devices, and you can buy them on Amazon right now. We’ve gone from reporting, to lawyers, to working with customs police in USA, Canada, China, and Europe. We’ve even had multiple state reps, and two US Senators (for both states we produce in) involved. Nothing is effective and China really really really doesn’t care.) Anyone that says “China will care if we just…” has little idea of this situation in my opinion.

insanitybit 3y ago
I'm not saying that it would be the right way to go. I'm saying that other companies absolutely care about US policy. As for IP, this has increasingly led to tensions between the countries. To say that China doesn't care is silly, China cares and they spend a lot of effort making it viable to continue their practices.
- SV_BubbleTime 3y ago
  >I'm saying that other companies absolutely care about US policy. Yea? Like Amazon and Walmart? It took a long time to get them to take our counterfeits down, and then only apply that to a vendor, so another pops up instantly. Here I am with first hand knowledge of the situation over years of difficulty and finally defeat, but your opinion is good too.
  - insanitybit 3y ago
    Yes, like those companies. They care a lot about the law. That's why they spend so much time and money trying to create new laws or defend themselves against the laws that they break. It takes serious effort for them. Your personal experience is irrelevant and is clearly biasing your opinion. It's obvious that companies care deeply about the law - even the ones who flaunt it do so only with great investment or with the belief that it will ultimately be worth it. Just because you were on the receiving end of the 'and it was worth it to them' does not change that.