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To me this sounds like they couldn't get juicy deals and a referral program like they do for all the other fishy AVs I mean.. take a look at their home page: h

To me this sounds like they couldn't get juicy deals and a referral program like they do for all the other fishy AVs I mean.. take a look at their home page: https://www.safetydetectives.com/ https://www.safetydetectives.com/

xela79 3y ago
best windows AV/Malware and Defender is not on the list. How serious can you take such a site/resource.
justinclift 3y ago
Oh wow. Yeah, that place is pretty fucking bad: Quick summary of the best antivirus software for 2023: 1. Norton — Best overall antivirus in 2023. 2. Bitdefender — Best for lightweight scanning (with heaps of extra features). 3. TotalAV — Best for ease of use (recommended for beginners). 4. McAfee — Best for web protection (with a great family plan). 5. Intego — Best for protecting your Mac. Clearly "best" is defined as "who gives us the most kick backs".
- martin8412 3y ago
  That's the same story with all product comparison sites. It's obvious that in most cases, they've never actually used the product for more than some hours if at all. The description of the products are just a rewritten version of the manufacturer sales material. The only way to get somewhat reliable recommendations was to append reddit to the search terms.
  - Given_47 3y ago
    Yea affiliate deals r abhorrent. And I wasn’t even aware of how high stakes it can be until this article: https://www.fastcompany.com/3065928/sleepopolis-casper-bloggers-lawsuits-underside-of-the-mattress-wars https://www.fastcompany.com/3065928/sleepopolis-casper-blogg...
    - maccard 3y ago
      That's a great article, thanks for the link
    - deleted 3y ago
      [deleted]
    - justinclift 3y ago
      Looking at the fortunes of the Casper place in the time since, Wikipedia has it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casper_Sleep https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casper_Sleep On February 6, 2020, it went public at $12 per share, translating to a market value of $476 million ... On March 31, 2020, its stock dropped to $4.12 per share, translating to a market value of $163 million ... In April 2020, Casper announced the winding down of its European operations and laid off 21% of its staff ... In November 2021, Casper announced that it had entered into a definitive agreement to be acquired ... The transaction completed in January 2022 and Casper's stock was delisted from the New York Stock Exchange. Disappeared with barely a whimper it seems like.
      - Given_47 3y ago
        Love it. And now that I think about it, I have stopped noticing the incessant Casper ads scattered around SF
  - bruce343434 3y ago
    There is plenty of astroturfing on Reddit.
    - martin8412 3y ago
      Absolutely. That has also gotten worse over time.
    - seanp2k2 3y ago
      The internet in general has just become one giant billboard / sales grift over the past decade and it’s really sad to see. I hate how much of the American economy is based on ads and marketing, just trying to force feed us pushes to buy buy buy until we’re broke and/or dead. There are better ways to live than this.
- mavhc 3y ago
  Which is why they don't like Defender. "We tested Defender against 1000 viruses, and it detected less than Norton", never says how much less. Also it's not a VPN apparently.
- COMMENT___ 3y ago
  > recommended for beginners This is fabulous. They even draw a "learning path" from beginner to expert (sorry, who?). It looks almost natural for inexperienced users. This whole "home antivirus" business reminds me of SoftRAM. It's just a few steps away from being a scam.
- tester756 3y ago
  lol this list is crazy wasn't ESET always ahead of those?
eur0pa 3y ago
Try and move the pointer out of the page and a "Time-limited deal" for Norton pops up. This website is trash.

xela79 3y ago

best windows AV/Malware and Defender is not on the list. How serious can you take such a site/resource.

justinclift 3y ago

Oh wow. Yeah, that place is pretty fucking bad: Quick summary of the best antivirus software for 2023: 1. Norton — Best overall antivirus in 2023. 2. Bitdefender — Best for lightweight scanning (with heaps of extra features). 3. TotalAV — Best for ease of use (recommended for beginners). 4. McAfee — Best for web protection (with a great family plan). 5. Intego — Best for protecting your Mac. Clearly "best" is defined as "who gives us the most kick backs".

martin8412 3y ago
That's the same story with all product comparison sites. It's obvious that in most cases, they've never actually used the product for more than some hours if at all. The description of the products are just a rewritten version of the manufacturer sales material. The only way to get somewhat reliable recommendations was to append reddit to the search terms.
- Given_47 3y ago
  Yea affiliate deals r abhorrent. And I wasn’t even aware of how high stakes it can be until this article: https://www.fastcompany.com/3065928/sleepopolis-casper-bloggers-lawsuits-underside-of-the-mattress-wars https://www.fastcompany.com/3065928/sleepopolis-casper-blogg...
  - maccard 3y ago
    That's a great article, thanks for the link
  - deleted 3y ago
    [deleted]
  - justinclift 3y ago
    Looking at the fortunes of the Casper place in the time since, Wikipedia has it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casper_Sleep https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casper_Sleep On February 6, 2020, it went public at $12 per share, translating to a market value of $476 million ... On March 31, 2020, its stock dropped to $4.12 per share, translating to a market value of $163 million ... In April 2020, Casper announced the winding down of its European operations and laid off 21% of its staff ... In November 2021, Casper announced that it had entered into a definitive agreement to be acquired ... The transaction completed in January 2022 and Casper's stock was delisted from the New York Stock Exchange. Disappeared with barely a whimper it seems like.
    - Given_47 3y ago
      Love it. And now that I think about it, I have stopped noticing the incessant Casper ads scattered around SF
- bruce343434 3y ago
  There is plenty of astroturfing on Reddit.
  - martin8412 3y ago
    Absolutely. That has also gotten worse over time.
  - seanp2k2 3y ago
    The internet in general has just become one giant billboard / sales grift over the past decade and it’s really sad to see. I hate how much of the American economy is based on ads and marketing, just trying to force feed us pushes to buy buy buy until we’re broke and/or dead. There are better ways to live than this.
mavhc 3y ago
Which is why they don't like Defender. "We tested Defender against 1000 viruses, and it detected less than Norton", never says how much less. Also it's not a VPN apparently.
COMMENT___ 3y ago
> recommended for beginners This is fabulous. They even draw a "learning path" from beginner to expert (sorry, who?). It looks almost natural for inexperienced users. This whole "home antivirus" business reminds me of SoftRAM. It's just a few steps away from being a scam.
tester756 3y ago
lol this list is crazy wasn't ESET always ahead of those?

eur0pa 3y ago

Try and move the pointer out of the page and a "Time-limited deal" for Norton pops up. This website is trash.