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> 711chan.net Any time I see these chan sites, it kind of stuns me about how racist they are relative to anything else on the internet.

Dah00n 3y ago
Doesn't seem worse than Reddit or Facebook to me. Heck, even though it isn't as obvious the amount of negativity on HN about everything Chinese is basically the same racism, just written in ways to avoid getting removed.
- daemoens 3y ago
  Did you visit the site? They have multiple boards on the sidebar that are explicitly dedicated to racism. One of them is just named “[Nig]s”. There’s a picture in the sean one with a 1488 behind pixel black people.
  - JewlionDid711 3y ago
    [flagged]
    - bawolff 3y ago
      What's the difference between being racist with the intent of offending ("triggering") people vs just being racist? Isn't most racism done with the intent of making the target uncomfortable or offended (whether that be in small ways or all the way up to straight up murdering people)? Like isn't that the entire point of racism? The KKK wasn't burning crosses to be friendly.
      - pcthrowaway 3y ago
        I'm sure most KKK chapters were actually satirical, totally-not-racist, KKK chapters. It was that oddball 1 in a hundred chapter that crossed the line that gave the rest a bad name /s in case it's needed
      - beebeepka 3y ago
        Making people uncomfortable. That's a really mild take on the whole KKK thing. Feeling very charitable today, are we?
      - JewlionDid711 3y ago
        [flagged]
    - saagarjha 3y ago
      Speaking of chan culture, you must surely know that pretending to be racist is not really a great defense: https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/i-was-only-pretending-to-be-retarded https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/i-was-only-pretending-to-be-r...
      - daemoens 3y ago
        The guy created an antisemitic username just for that comment, he’s not arguing in good faith.
  - shapefrog 3y ago
    I cant be racist - some of my best friends are blacks.
pseudonym0us 3y ago
It's not websites, it's people. Freedom of speech + anonymity just allow people showing who they really are.
- daemoens 3y ago
  I think it’s more like that these boards attract a specific type of person, not people in general. People generally don’t like racists because they’re also generally awful people as well. That’s why they’re banned off of most of the internet and the real world.
  - pseudonym0us 3y ago
    >People generally don’t like racists because they’re also generally awful people as well Can't resonate. In my part of the world, people are generally racist.
    - daemoens 3y ago
      The way online racists act is very different from general racism irl. It’s a much more hateful form and seems a bit more all over the place. They won’t just hate one ethnic group, they’ll hate everything and everyone that isn’t exactly like them.
  - shapefrog 3y ago
    > People generally don’t like racists because they’re also generally awful people as well People are generally awful people as well.
    - daemoens 3y ago
      Most people are either pleasant or neutral irl. There are no consequences for what you say online so people tend to be their worst on the internet. If people were generally awful, we wouldn't have any form of society anywhere in the world.
- cf141q5325 3y ago
cf141q5325 3y ago
Keep in mind that much of that is a constant struggle between moderating and Zersetzung. If somebody doesnt like free discourse, all they have to do is increase the moderation burden for such sites. Knowing full well, that the more rules you have and try to enforce, the more of an echochamber you become. Still beats the toxic effects of curating identities in an social media echochamber. Dedicated boards also work as plumbing on chans. edit: Totalitarians are also not shy about employing Zersetzung. For example, the CREST Research ("Mining the Chans") people are very open about attacking chans through AI generated garbage/extremism content to make them unusable. So chances are high that this is what you are seeing and reacting to.

Dah00n 3y ago

Doesn't seem worse than Reddit or Facebook to me. Heck, even though it isn't as obvious the amount of negativity on HN about everything Chinese is basically the same racism, just written in ways to avoid getting removed.

daemoens 3y ago
Did you visit the site? They have multiple boards on the sidebar that are explicitly dedicated to racism. One of them is just named “[Nig]s”. There’s a picture in the sean one with a 1488 behind pixel black people.
- JewlionDid711 3y ago
  [flagged]
  - bawolff 3y ago
    What's the difference between being racist with the intent of offending ("triggering") people vs just being racist? Isn't most racism done with the intent of making the target uncomfortable or offended (whether that be in small ways or all the way up to straight up murdering people)? Like isn't that the entire point of racism? The KKK wasn't burning crosses to be friendly.
    - pcthrowaway 3y ago
      I'm sure most KKK chapters were actually satirical, totally-not-racist, KKK chapters. It was that oddball 1 in a hundred chapter that crossed the line that gave the rest a bad name /s in case it's needed
    - beebeepka 3y ago
      Making people uncomfortable. That's a really mild take on the whole KKK thing. Feeling very charitable today, are we?
    - JewlionDid711 3y ago
      [flagged]
  - saagarjha 3y ago
    Speaking of chan culture, you must surely know that pretending to be racist is not really a great defense: https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/i-was-only-pretending-to-be-retarded https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/i-was-only-pretending-to-be-r...
    - daemoens 3y ago
      The guy created an antisemitic username just for that comment, he’s not arguing in good faith.
- shapefrog 3y ago
  I cant be racist - some of my best friends are blacks.

pseudonym0us 3y ago

It's not websites, it's people. Freedom of speech + anonymity just allow people showing who they really are.

daemoens 3y ago
I think it’s more like that these boards attract a specific type of person, not people in general. People generally don’t like racists because they’re also generally awful people as well. That’s why they’re banned off of most of the internet and the real world.
- pseudonym0us 3y ago
  >People generally don’t like racists because they’re also generally awful people as well Can't resonate. In my part of the world, people are generally racist.
  - daemoens 3y ago
    The way online racists act is very different from general racism irl. It’s a much more hateful form and seems a bit more all over the place. They won’t just hate one ethnic group, they’ll hate everything and everyone that isn’t exactly like them.
- shapefrog 3y ago
  > People generally don’t like racists because they’re also generally awful people as well People are generally awful people as well.
  - daemoens 3y ago
    Most people are either pleasant or neutral irl. There are no consequences for what you say online so people tend to be their worst on the internet. If people were generally awful, we wouldn't have any form of society anywhere in the world.
cf141q5325 3y ago

cf141q5325 3y ago

Keep in mind that much of that is a constant struggle between moderating and Zersetzung. If somebody doesnt like free discourse, all they have to do is increase the moderation burden for such sites. Knowing full well, that the more rules you have and try to enforce, the more of an echochamber you become. Still beats the toxic effects of curating identities in an social media echochamber. Dedicated boards also work as plumbing on chans. edit: Totalitarians are also not shy about employing Zersetzung. For example, the CREST Research ("Mining the Chans") people are very open about attacking chans through AI generated garbage/extremism content to make them unusable. So chances are high that this is what you are seeing and reacting to.