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The problem is that selling data is so lucrative that even stuff you pay for will do it if they can get away with it. We need real laws, with teeth, that put p

The problem is that selling data is so lucrative that even stuff you pay for will do it if they can get away with it. We need real laws, with teeth, that put people in jail and/or liquidate their businesses and all shareholder value for selling data and neglecting to properly secure data. It should be stronger than HIPAA to the point where a CEO wouldn't even think of cutting a NetSec department budget if the company was collecting PII.

NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
Why not enact laws against collecting the data in the first place? I mean, if it's illegal to sell it then they will trade it for barter. If it's illegal to trade it then they will "accidentally" let it leak to a partner. We can't afford to give temptation to an amoral personified corporation, because any valuable data they've collected and stored will simply burn a hole in their pockets until they scratch that itch. So prevent it from being collected in the first place. Restrict what data can be collected, and who can collect it. Reward minimalist orgs that collect as little data as possible to have an MVP. I betcha these proposals are equally as unrealistic. Because who can resist collecting data? That's what all our software and hardware is designed for now. The whole market for this stuff is oriented for telemetry at the expense of any other feature or functionality.
- Eisenstein 3y ago
  > I betcha these proposals are equally as unrealistic. Because who can resist collecting data? That's what all our software and hardware is designed for now. The whole market for this stuff is oriented for telemetry at the expense of any other feature or functionality. At one point the financial markets were completely unregulated, the airwaves could be taken over by anyone with a bigger transmitter, medicines were made of everything except the things they purported to contain, bakeries made cakes with lead coloring in the icing, and milk was sold with more formaldehyde in it than milk. Just because it is difficult to start doing doesn't mean we can't change how we operate.

NoZebra120vClip 3y ago

Why not enact laws against collecting the data in the first place? I mean, if it's illegal to sell it then they will trade it for barter. If it's illegal to trade it then they will "accidentally" let it leak to a partner. We can't afford to give temptation to an amoral personified corporation, because any valuable data they've collected and stored will simply burn a hole in their pockets until they scratch that itch. So prevent it from being collected in the first place. Restrict what data can be collected, and who can collect it. Reward minimalist orgs that collect as little data as possible to have an MVP. I betcha these proposals are equally as unrealistic. Because who can resist collecting data? That's what all our software and hardware is designed for now. The whole market for this stuff is oriented for telemetry at the expense of any other feature or functionality.

Eisenstein 3y ago
> I betcha these proposals are equally as unrealistic. Because who can resist collecting data? That's what all our software and hardware is designed for now. The whole market for this stuff is oriented for telemetry at the expense of any other feature or functionality. At one point the financial markets were completely unregulated, the airwaves could be taken over by anyone with a bigger transmitter, medicines were made of everything except the things they purported to contain, bakeries made cakes with lead coloring in the icing, and milk was sold with more formaldehyde in it than milk. Just because it is difficult to start doing doesn't mean we can't change how we operate.