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Just a reminder, nothing is really free. I recommend if you find a product or service to be too cheap that you think through why that could possibly be.

Zambyte 3y ago
Except Free Software ofc
- mistrial9 3y ago
  this is exactly not the meaning of "free software" In English this has become a detriment, this label. If you have no idea why people would spend tens of years executing excellent software for highly technical niches, then I am not sure what to tell you. It is ironic to the largest degrees, the nature and culture of these foul trustless anti-virus windoze mobsters, is the cause for an utterance of "that other software is free"
  - Zambyte 3y ago
    Not all Free Software is free, but all free Free Software is really free. There are no "hidden fees" in free Free Software, like there are with freeware. That was my point. I don't really know what you mean by the rest of your comment.
WalterBright 3y ago
The D programming language is really free. > why that could possibly be Because it's fun.
- lockhouse 3y ago
  Touché!
Der_Einzige 3y ago
There's clamAV which is open source: https://www.clamav.net/ https://www.clamav.net/
- thepostman0 3y ago
  Keeping exchange virus free with a Linux scanner at the mx.
Eisenstein 3y ago
The problem is that selling data is so lucrative that even stuff you pay for will do it if they can get away with it. We need real laws, with teeth, that put people in jail and/or liquidate their businesses and all shareholder value for selling data and neglecting to properly secure data. It should be stronger than HIPAA to the point where a CEO wouldn't even think of cutting a NetSec department budget if the company was collecting PII.
- NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
  Why not enact laws against collecting the data in the first place? I mean, if it's illegal to sell it then they will trade it for barter. If it's illegal to trade it then they will "accidentally" let it leak to a partner. We can't afford to give temptation to an amoral personified corporation, because any valuable data they've collected and stored will simply burn a hole in their pockets until they scratch that itch. So prevent it from being collected in the first place. Restrict what data can be collected, and who can collect it. Reward minimalist orgs that collect as little data as possible to have an MVP. I betcha these proposals are equally as unrealistic. Because who can resist collecting data? That's what all our software and hardware is designed for now. The whole market for this stuff is oriented for telemetry at the expense of any other feature or functionality.
  - Eisenstein 3y ago
    > I betcha these proposals are equally as unrealistic. Because who can resist collecting data? That's what all our software and hardware is designed for now. The whole market for this stuff is oriented for telemetry at the expense of any other feature or functionality. At one point the financial markets were completely unregulated, the airwaves could be taken over by anyone with a bigger transmitter, medicines were made of everything except the things they purported to contain, bakeries made cakes with lead coloring in the icing, and milk was sold with more formaldehyde in it than milk. Just because it is difficult to start doing doesn't mean we can't change how we operate.
usr1106 3y ago
Debian?
- thepostman0 3y ago
  Debian is free for the consumer, the producers put the effort in. The end user is expected to fill bug reports in, may e that can be seen as not free entirey as some effort is expected at the consumer end perhaps?
  - usr1106 3y ago
    Bug reporting and other volunteering are always welcome. But there is no problem if a user doesn't do it. Saying it is expected sounds like an exaggeration to me.
justinclift 3y ago
Blender?
inglor 3y ago
I can explain how Microsoft makes money off its anti-virus if you'd like. It's only free for regular users but as soon as you need enterprise security measures (e.g. tracking exposure across your org, isolating parts of your network etc) it costs money. So the built in anti-virus is in fact "free" because it makes selling the enterprise version easier.

Zambyte 3y ago

Except Free Software ofc

mistrial9 3y ago
this is exactly not the meaning of "free software" In English this has become a detriment, this label. If you have no idea why people would spend tens of years executing excellent software for highly technical niches, then I am not sure what to tell you. It is ironic to the largest degrees, the nature and culture of these foul trustless anti-virus windoze mobsters, is the cause for an utterance of "that other software is free"
- Zambyte 3y ago
  Not all Free Software is free, but all free Free Software is really free. There are no "hidden fees" in free Free Software, like there are with freeware. That was my point. I don't really know what you mean by the rest of your comment.

WalterBright 3y ago

The D programming language is really free. > why that could possibly be Because it's fun.

lockhouse 3y ago
Touché!

Der_Einzige 3y ago

There's clamAV which is open source: https://www.clamav.net/ https://www.clamav.net/

thepostman0 3y ago
Keeping exchange virus free with a Linux scanner at the mx.

Eisenstein 3y ago

The problem is that selling data is so lucrative that even stuff you pay for will do it if they can get away with it. We need real laws, with teeth, that put people in jail and/or liquidate their businesses and all shareholder value for selling data and neglecting to properly secure data. It should be stronger than HIPAA to the point where a CEO wouldn't even think of cutting a NetSec department budget if the company was collecting PII.

NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
Why not enact laws against collecting the data in the first place? I mean, if it's illegal to sell it then they will trade it for barter. If it's illegal to trade it then they will "accidentally" let it leak to a partner. We can't afford to give temptation to an amoral personified corporation, because any valuable data they've collected and stored will simply burn a hole in their pockets until they scratch that itch. So prevent it from being collected in the first place. Restrict what data can be collected, and who can collect it. Reward minimalist orgs that collect as little data as possible to have an MVP. I betcha these proposals are equally as unrealistic. Because who can resist collecting data? That's what all our software and hardware is designed for now. The whole market for this stuff is oriented for telemetry at the expense of any other feature or functionality.
- Eisenstein 3y ago
  > I betcha these proposals are equally as unrealistic. Because who can resist collecting data? That's what all our software and hardware is designed for now. The whole market for this stuff is oriented for telemetry at the expense of any other feature or functionality. At one point the financial markets were completely unregulated, the airwaves could be taken over by anyone with a bigger transmitter, medicines were made of everything except the things they purported to contain, bakeries made cakes with lead coloring in the icing, and milk was sold with more formaldehyde in it than milk. Just because it is difficult to start doing doesn't mean we can't change how we operate.

usr1106 3y ago

Debian?

thepostman0 3y ago
Debian is free for the consumer, the producers put the effort in. The end user is expected to fill bug reports in, may e that can be seen as not free entirey as some effort is expected at the consumer end perhaps?
- usr1106 3y ago
  Bug reporting and other volunteering are always welcome. But there is no problem if a user doesn't do it. Saying it is expected sounds like an exaggeration to me.

justinclift 3y ago

Blender?

inglor 3y ago

I can explain how Microsoft makes money off its anti-virus if you'd like. It's only free for regular users but as soon as you need enterprise security measures (e.g. tracking exposure across your org, isolating parts of your network etc) it costs money. So the built in anti-virus is in fact "free" because it makes selling the enterprise version easier.