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Internet Archive Targets Book DRM Removal Tool with DMCA Takedown

25 points by CoBE10 3y ago

jdjdjdhhd 3y ago
I would never have thought that the Internet Archive would be the one initiating the DMCA takedown... Can we go back to the internet of 20 years ago?
- hypercube33 3y ago
  I agree. reading some things on their litigation they seemed to be ignored until they did things somewhat hostile to newer books. Maybe I read into it wrong but it seems like they did some dumb choices during the pandemic.
  - gs17 3y ago
    Yeah, I have no idea why they thought going from "we own a physical copy of this book, it can be lent digitally or physically, but still only one copy at a time" to "we can give as many copies out as we want" wouldn't cause trouble.
type0 3y ago
I thought they had knowledgeable people there, are all of them on holiday?
- smsm42 3y ago
  The copyright mafia came to IA and said "it's a nice archive you got going on here, it would be a shame somebody filed a lawsuit accusing you of copyright infringement and letting all this work of decades be shut down... but of course some arrangements could be made to prevent this from happening, if you're reasonable". It's not about knowledge, it's about power, and the copyright mafia has a lot of it.
- toomuchtodo 3y ago
  The Internet Archive likely has to show a good faith effort to adhere to copyright and fair use as they have ongoing litigation initiated by book publishers about their book lending practices during COVID Sometimes, unfortunately, smart people have to put on a show for reasons beyond their control. Library Genesis and Anna’s Archive are alternative libraries available for consumption without these lending controls. (no affiliation with the Internet Archive)
  - greyface- 3y ago
    > smart people have to put on a show for reasons beyond their control They didn't have to do this. Their actions with CDL were well-intentioned but foolish. I'm no fan of our current IP regime, but I recognize the reality of copyright law as it exists today. No reasonable interpretation of existing copyright law allows them to do what they did. In an attempt to Uber us all into a friendlier (but DRM-powered) IP regime, they've painted themselves into a corner, and now find that they "have to" make foundational compromises on their position on the free and open distribution of knowledge. I treasure the Internet Archive and I dearly hope this lawsuit doesn't ruin them. When this is over, I hope they've realized that DRM is not the answer.
    - 1letterunixname 3y ago
      Exactly. They need to mind their own business and get out of the business of policing the world.
greyface- 3y ago
Takedown notice: https://github.com/github/dmca/blob/master/2023/06/2023-06-27-internet-archive.md https://github.com/github/dmca/blob/master/2023/06/2023-06-2... The tool is still available on GitLab: https://gitlab.com/bipinkrish/DeGourou https://gitlab.com/bipinkrish/DeGourou and ironically, GitHub via the Wayback Machine: https://web.archive.org/web/20230628070837/https://github.com/bipinkrish/DeGourou https://web.archive.org/web/20230628070837/https://github.co...
1letterunixname 3y ago
They're working against their own interests because publishers will never be on their side. Also, fuck DRM and their stingy virtual checkout system that doesn't work and is incompatible with many viewers.

25 points by CoBE10 3y ago

I would never have thought that the Internet Archive would be the one initiating the DMCA takedown... Can we go back to the internet of 20 years ago?

hypercube33 3y ago
I agree. reading some things on their litigation they seemed to be ignored until they did things somewhat hostile to newer books. Maybe I read into it wrong but it seems like they did some dumb choices during the pandemic.
- gs17 3y ago
  Yeah, I have no idea why they thought going from "we own a physical copy of this book, it can be lent digitally or physically, but still only one copy at a time" to "we can give as many copies out as we want" wouldn't cause trouble.

type0 3y ago

I thought they had knowledgeable people there, are all of them on holiday?

smsm42 3y ago
The copyright mafia came to IA and said "it's a nice archive you got going on here, it would be a shame somebody filed a lawsuit accusing you of copyright infringement and letting all this work of decades be shut down... but of course some arrangements could be made to prevent this from happening, if you're reasonable". It's not about knowledge, it's about power, and the copyright mafia has a lot of it.
toomuchtodo 3y ago
The Internet Archive likely has to show a good faith effort to adhere to copyright and fair use as they have ongoing litigation initiated by book publishers about their book lending practices during COVID Sometimes, unfortunately, smart people have to put on a show for reasons beyond their control. Library Genesis and Anna’s Archive are alternative libraries available for consumption without these lending controls. (no affiliation with the Internet Archive)
- greyface- 3y ago
  > smart people have to put on a show for reasons beyond their control They didn't have to do this. Their actions with CDL were well-intentioned but foolish. I'm no fan of our current IP regime, but I recognize the reality of copyright law as it exists today. No reasonable interpretation of existing copyright law allows them to do what they did. In an attempt to Uber us all into a friendlier (but DRM-powered) IP regime, they've painted themselves into a corner, and now find that they "have to" make foundational compromises on their position on the free and open distribution of knowledge. I treasure the Internet Archive and I dearly hope this lawsuit doesn't ruin them. When this is over, I hope they've realized that DRM is not the answer.
  - 1letterunixname 3y ago
    Exactly. They need to mind their own business and get out of the business of policing the world.

greyface- 3y ago

Takedown notice: https://github.com/github/dmca/blob/master/2023/06/2023-06-27-internet-archive.md https://github.com/github/dmca/blob/master/2023/06/2023-06-2... The tool is still available on GitLab: https://gitlab.com/bipinkrish/DeGourou https://gitlab.com/bipinkrish/DeGourou and ironically, GitHub via the Wayback Machine: https://web.archive.org/web/20230628070837/https://github.com/bipinkrish/DeGourou https://web.archive.org/web/20230628070837/https://github.co...

1letterunixname 3y ago

They're working against their own interests because publishers will never be on their side. Also, fuck DRM and their stingy virtual checkout system that doesn't work and is incompatible with many viewers.