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Part of me feel sad that the big players deprecated flash before any good alternatives popped up, HTML5 wasn't exactly an alternative yet. Flash was waaay more

Part of me feel sad that the big players deprecated flash before any good alternatives popped up, HTML5 wasn't exactly an alternative yet. Flash was waaay more powerful, I think we lost a bit of good technology there. Hopefully we'll get it back soon.

Bakingpotato 3y ago
yeah. the closest to getting flash back is Ruffle, which works pretty well, and Newgrounds does flash game jams still, so it ain't all dead
em3rgent0rdr 3y ago
Particularly for vector-based animated movies, can achieve much higher quality-per-bandwidth than compressed raster graphics, and are future-proofed to automatically handle higher video resolutions.
- Bakingpotato 3y ago
  yeah, a lot of flash content that was SVG exclusive can go up past 4k and look stunning, and flash was the only one around then (and debatably, now) with an editor to let someone leverage that
- xp84 3y ago
  This part itself is probably a lost art forever. As are many things that required great efficiency. Apart from a few embedded specialties. I feel the same pain though, watching a HomestarRunner video or something by means of a 200MB video when I know the SWFs were like 100KB.
  - Alifatisk 3y ago
    "watching a HomestarRunner video or something by means of a 200MB video when I know the SWFs were like 100KB." WOW
justinclift 3y ago
I'm also interested in seeing what happens with Ruffle can eventually play all (or say 99%) of the Flash files out there. Will they continue on, and make a "next generation flash" or something? aka Flash Done Right :)
- willio58 3y ago
  The doors have been open for quite some time now for someone to build Flash Done Right. Some have tried. But they never catch on.
  - justinclift 3y ago
    That's a good point. It'd need both widespread adoption of the player, and some kind of good authoring environment. Interestingly enough, the Ruffle player itself is looking like it'll achieve that wide spread adoption. If a "Flash Done Right" type of thing was included in that by default, then it'd just leave the authoring tools piece missing. Others have pointed out that Godot has timeline functionality similar to the old Flash (authoring) interface. So maybe the authoring tools piece would mean existing authoring tools (like Godot) would be able to add a "Flash Done Right" output target and call it a day. Seems like an approach that would work.

Bakingpotato 3y ago

yeah. the closest to getting flash back is Ruffle, which works pretty well, and Newgrounds does flash game jams still, so it ain't all dead

em3rgent0rdr 3y ago

Particularly for vector-based animated movies, can achieve much higher quality-per-bandwidth than compressed raster graphics, and are future-proofed to automatically handle higher video resolutions.

Bakingpotato 3y ago
yeah, a lot of flash content that was SVG exclusive can go up past 4k and look stunning, and flash was the only one around then (and debatably, now) with an editor to let someone leverage that
xp84 3y ago
This part itself is probably a lost art forever. As are many things that required great efficiency. Apart from a few embedded specialties. I feel the same pain though, watching a HomestarRunner video or something by means of a 200MB video when I know the SWFs were like 100KB.
- Alifatisk 3y ago
  "watching a HomestarRunner video or something by means of a 200MB video when I know the SWFs were like 100KB." WOW

justinclift 3y ago

I'm also interested in seeing what happens with Ruffle can eventually play all (or say 99%) of the Flash files out there. Will they continue on, and make a "next generation flash" or something? aka Flash Done Right :)

willio58 3y ago
The doors have been open for quite some time now for someone to build Flash Done Right. Some have tried. But they never catch on.
- justinclift 3y ago
  That's a good point. It'd need both widespread adoption of the player, and some kind of good authoring environment. Interestingly enough, the Ruffle player itself is looking like it'll achieve that wide spread adoption. If a "Flash Done Right" type of thing was included in that by default, then it'd just leave the authoring tools piece missing. Others have pointed out that Godot has timeline functionality similar to the old Flash (authoring) interface. So maybe the authoring tools piece would mean existing authoring tools (like Godot) would be able to add a "Flash Done Right" output target and call it a day. Seems like an approach that would work.