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> Apparently the immutable Word of God sure, but are you talking about the word of god, or the words in the bible. I was going off the KJB, as derived from He

by Chris2048 3y ago

> Apparently the immutable Word of God sure, but are you talking about the word of god, or the words in the bible. I was going off the KJB, as derived from Hebrew, so it would make more sense to look at the original Hebrew. I'm not sure why you pay more attention an translation produced by an American businessman in the 70s; The previous link I provided even discusses the issue of "ḥāzaq" vs "tāpas". The WP page for the NIV even details the various scholars taking issue with it, e.g.: > Mark Given, a professor of religious studies at Missouri State University, criticized the NIV for "several inaccurate and misleading translations" as many sentences and clauses are paraphrased, rather than translated from Hebrew and Greek. -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_International_Version https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_International_Version Here is something similar in NIV without the word rape: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus+22%3A16&version=NIV https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus+22%3A16&... see https://www.reddit.com/r/Christianity/comments/dooq5l/the_niv_makes_an_serious_obvious_translation/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Christianity/comments/dooq5l/the_ni...

synetic 3y ago
Therein lies the rub. All translations have critics. All of them are wrong in some way according to some expert. Pick the one you like. Pick the translator you like. While you quote a professor who knows much more than me it doesn’t mean much since equally qualified experts were involved in writing the NIV and every other version. And they translated it differently than this professor would have. What we have is a bunch of experts disagreeing with each other. What I’m left with is one immutable fact: the Bible - whichever version you choose - is wrong according to some expert who is a Christian.
- Chris2048 3y ago
  Here's the rub-a-dub: whatever criteria you use to determine someone an "expert", they can't add any more information than their source material. AFAIK a lot of later bible are based on KJB - How can anyone, expert or otherwise, add information to the KJB (bar consulting Hebrew)? > equally qualified experts were involved in writing the NIV.. Then why are you dedicated to one particular translation if you think there is such ambiguity?
  - synetic 3y ago
    I don’t care about the Bible. I’m not particular about any versions of it. I picked NIV because its translation was different than the one you liked. I was making a point. I think you must be deliberately missing it. 1. Experts were involved in making NIV. Those experts were Christians. 2. You have a Christian expert who doesn’t like their translation. Put those two facts together and you have, necessarily, ambiguity. It’s not that I think there is ambiguity on what constitutes what scripture says it’s that there is ambiguity. I’m not even talking about different interpretations of what the collection of words mean. There’s ambiguity in what the words actually are. Then there’s the fact that the Catholic Bible is different than the Protestant one which is different than the Coptic Christian Bible which is different than….etc. Your knowledge of the history of the inspiration and canonicity of the Bible is quite poor. If you were to be real honest with yourself you will realize that the reason you like one expert over another is because their belief about the proper translation is more palatable to you. This is an example of picking and choosing what to believe when it comes to religion. Which is what I said in the original post I made.
    - Chris2048 3y ago
      What do you mean by "liked"? The christian expert didn't "like" their translation, because it was inauthentic. > it’s that there is ambiguity ok, then doesn't this undercut your claim that the bible says women must merry their rapists? > Your knowledge of .. is quite poor. You decided to make an entirely different point about the bible. In fact you previously implied the bible was the word of god, why is it my knowledge that is poor? > the reason you like one expert over another how do you figure? what do you know about me? how are you able to judge two experts; you haven't responded at all in the meat of the issue, the post about the Hebrew KJB is based on, just repeating "experts experts experts" like it's some damming logic puzzle - it's not, experts can be wrong, biased, or not experts at all. > This is an example of picking and choosing.. like picking "1 + 1 = 2" over "1 + 1 = 3"? you have to demonstrate I picked one interpretation because of personal bias rather than merit, which you haven't. Rather, it is ironically your bias, waiting to make this point, that has resulted in you interpreting things this way.

synetic 3y ago

Therein lies the rub. All translations have critics. All of them are wrong in some way according to some expert. Pick the one you like. Pick the translator you like. While you quote a professor who knows much more than me it doesn’t mean much since equally qualified experts were involved in writing the NIV and every other version. And they translated it differently than this professor would have. What we have is a bunch of experts disagreeing with each other. What I’m left with is one immutable fact: the Bible - whichever version you choose - is wrong according to some expert who is a Christian.

Chris2048 3y ago
Here's the rub-a-dub: whatever criteria you use to determine someone an "expert", they can't add any more information than their source material. AFAIK a lot of later bible are based on KJB - How can anyone, expert or otherwise, add information to the KJB (bar consulting Hebrew)? > equally qualified experts were involved in writing the NIV.. Then why are you dedicated to one particular translation if you think there is such ambiguity?
- synetic 3y ago
  I don’t care about the Bible. I’m not particular about any versions of it. I picked NIV because its translation was different than the one you liked. I was making a point. I think you must be deliberately missing it. 1. Experts were involved in making NIV. Those experts were Christians. 2. You have a Christian expert who doesn’t like their translation. Put those two facts together and you have, necessarily, ambiguity. It’s not that I think there is ambiguity on what constitutes what scripture says it’s that there is ambiguity. I’m not even talking about different interpretations of what the collection of words mean. There’s ambiguity in what the words actually are. Then there’s the fact that the Catholic Bible is different than the Protestant one which is different than the Coptic Christian Bible which is different than….etc. Your knowledge of the history of the inspiration and canonicity of the Bible is quite poor. If you were to be real honest with yourself you will realize that the reason you like one expert over another is because their belief about the proper translation is more palatable to you. This is an example of picking and choosing what to believe when it comes to religion. Which is what I said in the original post I made.
  - Chris2048 3y ago
    What do you mean by "liked"? The christian expert didn't "like" their translation, because it was inauthentic. > it’s that there is ambiguity ok, then doesn't this undercut your claim that the bible says women must merry their rapists? > Your knowledge of .. is quite poor. You decided to make an entirely different point about the bible. In fact you previously implied the bible was the word of god, why is it my knowledge that is poor? > the reason you like one expert over another how do you figure? what do you know about me? how are you able to judge two experts; you haven't responded at all in the meat of the issue, the post about the Hebrew KJB is based on, just repeating "experts experts experts" like it's some damming logic puzzle - it's not, experts can be wrong, biased, or not experts at all. > This is an example of picking and choosing.. like picking "1 + 1 = 2" over "1 + 1 = 3"? you have to demonstrate I picked one interpretation because of personal bias rather than merit, which you haven't. Rather, it is ironically your bias, waiting to make this point, that has resulted in you interpreting things this way.