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Uber’s driverless vehicle killed someone jaywalking at night in another state. So you can’t say they’ve never killed anyone. Plus Teslas have killed their own o

Uber’s driverless vehicle killed someone jaywalking at night in another state. So you can’t say they’ve never killed anyone. Plus Teslas have killed their own occupants plenty of times.

bshipp 3y ago
I'm debating about renewing my truck license for this reason. If it's taking this long for automobiles to be approved and accepted, it'll be 30 years before trucking is automated. The two decades during which human oversight of automated systems will be mandatory would be long enough for me to finish off my career getting paid to drive while I sit in a cab writing code, periodically checking over the status of my lead truck and the two or three slaved trucks following me.
- slashdev 3y ago
  I think there will be a strong demand for truck drivers long after most people would expect. We’re far from self driving vehicles still, and trucks will be the last to be automated, and once they are, I expect they’ll require human supervision just like you predict.
- reaperducer 3y ago
  I'm debating about renewing my truck license for this reason. If it's taking this long for automobiles to be approved and accepted, it'll be 30 years before trucking is automated. Trucks and cars are different. They've been running automated big rigs between Dallas, Houston, San Antonio, and El Paso for a few years now.
  - bshipp 3y ago
    I hadn't heard that, but a cursory Google search indicates that Kodiak is building one of these systems. https://kodiak.ai/ https://kodiak.ai/ Given the significant weight and danger of death for other drivers, it'll be years until legislators allow their "safety drivers" to be eliminated from the equation. This makes the AI system more akin to enhanced cruise control than robotic trucking.
    - reaperducer 3y ago
      It's been in the newspapers down there quite a bit. Mostly Houston and San Antonio. Here's one article about Volvo: "Companies such as IKEA, UPS and FedEx have begun using autonomous trucks to make long haul trips across Texas, most often along I-45 between Dallas and Houston. In 2017, the U.S. Department of Transportation designated Texas as one of that nation's 10 proving grounds for autonomous vehicle testing. And Texas lawmakers have encouraged autonomous-vehicle development by making sure traffic laws do not encumber the companies." https://www.houstonchronicle.com/business/retail/article/volvo-self-driving-autonomous-truck-texas-18141914.php https://www.houstonchronicle.com/business/retail/article/vol...
de_keyboard 3y ago
Not disagreeing, but you might find it interesting to learn about the history of the term "jaywalking"
codampa01314 3y ago
This is a good point. The statement I made about not killing anyone (in quotes) is from the article, which is only a subset of the overall domain we're talking about.

Uber’s driverless vehicle killed someone jaywalking at night in another state. So you can’t say they’ve never killed anyone. Plus Teslas have killed their own occupants plenty of times.

bshipp 3y ago

I'm debating about renewing my truck license for this reason. If it's taking this long for automobiles to be approved and accepted, it'll be 30 years before trucking is automated. The two decades during which human oversight of automated systems will be mandatory would be long enough for me to finish off my career getting paid to drive while I sit in a cab writing code, periodically checking over the status of my lead truck and the two or three slaved trucks following me.

slashdev 3y ago
I think there will be a strong demand for truck drivers long after most people would expect. We’re far from self driving vehicles still, and trucks will be the last to be automated, and once they are, I expect they’ll require human supervision just like you predict.
reaperducer 3y ago
I'm debating about renewing my truck license for this reason. If it's taking this long for automobiles to be approved and accepted, it'll be 30 years before trucking is automated. Trucks and cars are different. They've been running automated big rigs between Dallas, Houston, San Antonio, and El Paso for a few years now.
- bshipp 3y ago
  I hadn't heard that, but a cursory Google search indicates that Kodiak is building one of these systems. https://kodiak.ai/ https://kodiak.ai/ Given the significant weight and danger of death for other drivers, it'll be years until legislators allow their "safety drivers" to be eliminated from the equation. This makes the AI system more akin to enhanced cruise control than robotic trucking.
  - reaperducer 3y ago
    It's been in the newspapers down there quite a bit. Mostly Houston and San Antonio. Here's one article about Volvo: "Companies such as IKEA, UPS and FedEx have begun using autonomous trucks to make long haul trips across Texas, most often along I-45 between Dallas and Houston. In 2017, the U.S. Department of Transportation designated Texas as one of that nation's 10 proving grounds for autonomous vehicle testing. And Texas lawmakers have encouraged autonomous-vehicle development by making sure traffic laws do not encumber the companies." https://www.houstonchronicle.com/business/retail/article/volvo-self-driving-autonomous-truck-texas-18141914.php https://www.houstonchronicle.com/business/retail/article/vol...

de_keyboard 3y ago

Not disagreeing, but you might find it interesting to learn about the history of the term "jaywalking"

codampa01314 3y ago

This is a good point. The statement I made about not killing anyone (in quotes) is from the article, which is only a subset of the overall domain we're talking about.