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All these tools and murder clearance rates are still historical low. https://www.npr.org/2023/04/29/1172775448/people-murder-unsolved-killings-record-high http

All these tools and murder clearance rates are still historical low. https://www.npr.org/2023/04/29/1172775448/people-murder-unsolved-killings-record-high https://www.npr.org/2023/04/29/1172775448/people-murder-unso...

willcipriano 3y ago
NPR a few years ago: "Defund the police, all cops are bastards, snitches get stitches!" NPR Today: "Why are murders going unsolved?"
- jmknoll 3y ago
  Two questions: 1. Can you point me to where NPR said “snitches get stitches” 2. Which police departments precisely were defunded?
  - jvanderbot 3y ago
    I watched this narrative unfold in the wake of George Floyd in my beloved Minneapolis. While I can't answer the question directly, I can relay the message that some law enforcement relatives told me: While defunding never materialized, mass quitting and a huge change in enforcement away from areas that, well, might result in another George Floyd incident have produced effectively the same thing as a big old defund. There is less presence and less inclination to pursue calls in areas of trouble. My opinion is this is kind of a temper tantrum on the part of some of these folks I spoke to, but the reality is that many of them fear getting caught up in sweeping reforms and made an example of. Make no mistake those reforms are probably coming, esp after the federal report on the Minneapolis policing, but I don't think it will involve less money.
    - CPLX 3y ago
      Makes sense. The thing to remember about members of law enforcement is that they never lie about things to improve their public standing, so it's logical to take that message from these relatives you mention at face value.
- CPLX 3y ago
  The answer, clearly, is because of NPR.
- comrh 3y ago
  > As discussed throughout, the above results provide no evidence that greater police budgets lead to increases in homicide clearance rates (or equivalently, lower police budgets decrease homicide clearance rates). https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/jels.12325 https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/jels.12325
  - willcipriano 3y ago
    Let's set it to zero then, save billions.
    - Eisenstein 3y ago
      Do you operate using anything besides fallacies?
      - willcipriano 3y ago
        > no evidence that greater police budgets lead to increases in homicide clearance rates (or equivalently, lower police budgets decrease homicide clearance rates). No evidence. The experts are clear, police funding doesn't have anything to do with murder clearance rates. I mean that's super counter intuitive, I'd think the more interviews you do, the more forensics you have done, the more likely you are to solve the case but apparently not. I guess all that stuff was just a waste of time, or the experts are wrong once again.
        tehwebguy 3y ago
        Yeah, if we defund the police and I get burgled who am I supposed to call when I want someone to show up eight hours later, shoot my dog, and tell me there’s nothing they can do to help? (Apologies for not just linking to the evergreen tweet, couldn’t find it)
        willcipriano 3y ago
        Let me guess, they live in a major city led mostly by people who love NPR?
- deleted 3y ago
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- tehwebguy 3y ago
  I don’t believe there’s any proof of any police departments in the US being defunded. It’s likely that one or two had their budgets drop by a marginal percent for a single year only and then got a substantial increase in budget the next year. The murder clearance rate has been in the toilet for decades, maybe forever, everywhere in the US. It’s also likely that you knew this already!

willcipriano 3y ago

NPR a few years ago: "Defund the police, all cops are bastards, snitches get stitches!" NPR Today: "Why are murders going unsolved?"

jmknoll 3y ago
Two questions: 1. Can you point me to where NPR said “snitches get stitches” 2. Which police departments precisely were defunded?
- jvanderbot 3y ago
  I watched this narrative unfold in the wake of George Floyd in my beloved Minneapolis. While I can't answer the question directly, I can relay the message that some law enforcement relatives told me: While defunding never materialized, mass quitting and a huge change in enforcement away from areas that, well, might result in another George Floyd incident have produced effectively the same thing as a big old defund. There is less presence and less inclination to pursue calls in areas of trouble. My opinion is this is kind of a temper tantrum on the part of some of these folks I spoke to, but the reality is that many of them fear getting caught up in sweeping reforms and made an example of. Make no mistake those reforms are probably coming, esp after the federal report on the Minneapolis policing, but I don't think it will involve less money.
  - CPLX 3y ago
    Makes sense. The thing to remember about members of law enforcement is that they never lie about things to improve their public standing, so it's logical to take that message from these relatives you mention at face value.
CPLX 3y ago
The answer, clearly, is because of NPR.
comrh 3y ago
> As discussed throughout, the above results provide no evidence that greater police budgets lead to increases in homicide clearance rates (or equivalently, lower police budgets decrease homicide clearance rates). https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/jels.12325 https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/jels.12325
- willcipriano 3y ago
  Let's set it to zero then, save billions.
  - Eisenstein 3y ago
    Do you operate using anything besides fallacies?
    - willcipriano 3y ago
      > no evidence that greater police budgets lead to increases in homicide clearance rates (or equivalently, lower police budgets decrease homicide clearance rates). No evidence. The experts are clear, police funding doesn't have anything to do with murder clearance rates. I mean that's super counter intuitive, I'd think the more interviews you do, the more forensics you have done, the more likely you are to solve the case but apparently not. I guess all that stuff was just a waste of time, or the experts are wrong once again.
      - tehwebguy 3y ago
        Yeah, if we defund the police and I get burgled who am I supposed to call when I want someone to show up eight hours later, shoot my dog, and tell me there’s nothing they can do to help? (Apologies for not just linking to the evergreen tweet, couldn’t find it)
        willcipriano 3y ago
        Let me guess, they live in a major city led mostly by people who love NPR?
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tehwebguy 3y ago
I don’t believe there’s any proof of any police departments in the US being defunded. It’s likely that one or two had their budgets drop by a marginal percent for a single year only and then got a substantial increase in budget the next year. The murder clearance rate has been in the toilet for decades, maybe forever, everywhere in the US. It’s also likely that you knew this already!