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Southern Europe in extreme heat, with Greece seeing temperatures of 40C or more
- ThalesX 3y agoI've registered 47 on my temp sensor two days ago. This is in Eastern Europe.
- penneyd 3y agoBrutal - hope you're able to stay cool, is that 47 in the shade?
- ThalesX 3y agoIn direct sunlight for most of the day. Yeah, I can manage, I have 3 ACs and all blindfolds pulled down. It was rather nice inside, but going outside even for 10 minutes was a dizzying experience.
- hoffs 3y agoIs it in direct sunlight?
- ThalesX 3y agoYeah, facing the sun most of the day.
- jacquesm 3y agoHoly crap. Better be careful then. Romania, Bulgaria, Greece and Italy are having a tough time at the moment.
- vintermann 3y agoThat can't be properly in the shade. Either that or you're in a very bad heat island. It's not supposed to have been that warm anywhere in EE the last few days.
- ThalesX 3y agoNope, not in the shade. But the truth "on the ground" in some places is different than what they say in the prognosis, which is why I have my own temperature sensors. I cross referenced with friends from other parts of the city which I guess is a pretty bad heat island with all the concrete.
- carabiner 3y agoCelsius was and is lying.
- bsaul 3y ago40 in greece in summer doesn't seem that extraordinary... Don't want to downplay the news, but i don't think it makes a lot of sense to call "extreme heat record" something that's half a degree above what we're used to ( i mean sure, it's probably a record, but calling it "an effect of climate warming" sounds a bit too much)
- PartiallyTyped 3y agoIt doesn’t seem to say if it is average temperature. Cyprus and Greece have hit 46 and 48 C respectively before, so this reads a bit sensationalist or dishonest maybe? Just pointing at the average temperature increasing would have sufficed. Not downplaying 40 degrees at all, I grew up in the Mediterranean and am well familiar with the summers and it wasn’t news that we hit 40. The news used to be about 43 … and so on.
- xxs 3y ago>It doesn’t seem to say if it is average temperature. The article: "Seeing temperatures", which implies 'max' 40C is high but not uncommon for Greece, 33C in Sofia is far from the highest temps recorded in mid July. The global warming is bad as it gets, yet reporting like that doesn't help the cause.
- pdar4123 3y agoYou seem to be missing the forest though the trees. https://twitter.com/GretaThunberg/status/1679816678023000065?s=20 https://twitter.com/GretaThunberg/status/1679816678023000065...
- PartiallyTyped 3y agoThey are not. The article and title are for pointing specifically Greece. Greece and the rest of Mediterranean have seen such temperatures before. There is no record to break because we have already exceeded it that much more. The emphasis should be on averages and overall variance increasing and not on specific samples.
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- downWidOutaFite 3y agoThere is a simultaneous historic heat wave happening in southern and western US. Death Valley could hit the hottest-ever recorded temperature on Earth of 131°F/55°C https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2023/07/14/heat-wave-records-southwest-florida-climate/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2023/07/14/heat-wave-...
- r00fus 3y agoYou could almost do sous-vide at that temperature!
- NKosmatos 3y agoThe climate zones in Europe are being shifted northwards. Mediterranean/southern countries like Greece, Spain, Portugal and Italy are experiencing conditions like the ones from Northern Africa. Central European countries are having a milder climate, with more extreme “bursts”. Records are going to be broken over and over, especially next summer when the currently ongoing El Niño is going to “hit” us. Our planet is not happy with what we’ve done all these decades and we’re going to pay for it :-(
- gattilorenz 3y agoYou are correct, but in practice the planet doesn’t care and will survive in any case. What we should have been saying, instead, is that we are going to be unhappy. The narrative about protecting the environment/the planet should have always been about protecting ourselves from the planet, because we have learned to do that already. A more egocentric message could have worked better for the general public. [edited to hopefully sound less snarky]
- jacquesm 3y ago> Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- savanaly 3y agoI don't see how the poster was violating that guideline. I say that as someone who frequently thinks people break that guideline.
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- FrustratedMonky 3y agoEverything is fine.
- pmarreck 3y agoI wonder how long Europe will continue to maintain the attitude that "air conditioning is a United States thing"
- te_chris 3y agoIn London they've built a bunch of towers near me (a few over 20 stories) with no AC. Apparently the apartments were absolutely dire dure last year's heatwave. I'd say a wee while yet. London is not a nice place > 30C.
- flir 3y agoA small south-facing bedroom in a tower block without A/C is no joke. Especially when you've got those windows that only tilt inwards by about four inches.
- jimbob45 3y agoHopefully permanently if heat pumps catch on as well as they have been. Edit: are heat pumps considered A/C?
- gattilorenz 3y agoOnly if they produce cold (and dry) air, I guess. In general, with an air to water or ground to water heat pump you can technically cool your floor, but that won’t help much (you can’t go very low, to avoid condensation problems)
- hnbad 3y agoFWIW with underfloor heating you can reduce the room temperature by a few degrees compared to the outside temperature but this is also generally the recommendation for A/C (which of course doesn't stop people from setting it way lower than that because they can).
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- rahmeero 3y agoIt's all a hoax, said the frog in the saucepan.
- barelyauser 3y agoEarth heats up. Water evaporates. Clouds reflect sunlight. Earth cools down. Oceans absorb more CO2. Mother nature saves us. Or does it?
- codyb 3y agoA common theory is that increased temperatures end up causing an ice age. Bill Bryson discusses that in one of his books and I can’t remember the exact reasoning, maybe it’s something like Increased heat -> more moisture -> more clouds -> less heat -> ice age I’m not sure. But it was fairly convincing and has apparently happened on Earth before before humanity according to the records.
- karmakurtisaani 3y agoI follow the discussion over climate fairly closely and have never heard of this theory before. It does not sound very credible to be honest.
- codyb 3y agoAh, well here’s some info https://www.wgbh.org/news/commentary/2021/03/24/weve-known-for-years-global-warming-could-lead-to-a-new-ice-age-why-is-no-one-doing-anything https://www.wgbh.org/news/commentary/2021/03/24/weve-known-f... Which tracks from Bryson’s book, it has to do with the jet streams and underwater currents being interrupted. I was wrong in my guess though, that’s for sure.
- karmakurtisaani 3y agoAh, ice age in Europe due to Golf stream disturbance. This I have heard and it makes sense.
- bottlepalm 3y agoIs anyone else secretly holding out for AGI to solve all of this and/or turn us all into paperclips?
- barelyauser 3y agoWe can solve it ourselves, we just don't want to.
- bottlepalm 3y agoAnd I could write my term paper, but it’s much easier for ChatGPT to do it for me. See where this is going if we can easily see that civilization behaves like an average of individuals who don’t want to eat healthy, go to the gym, or watch a documentary over reality TV. I’d bet money on AGI solving climate change, at this point. It’s humanity’s big term paper and god doesn’t care if we cheat.
- hnbad 3y agoWe already know how to solve climate change. We just don't want to do it because it would hurt profits.
- lakomen 3y agoI'm nagging my cities Facebook page , or have been nagging them for over a decade and they just aren't doing anything. Instead the destroy more green, build more fully concrete areas without trees. I can only stand by and watch how everything goes to shit, powerless to do anything, because the local governments just are corrupt and do what they want. Then, look at this place in Croatia. How is that acceptable in this day and age? A little green. It should be trees everywhere. But at least they use solar panels. I blame the super rich, the oil industry and car industry. They are murderers.
- jacquesm 3y ago> Then, look at this place in Croatia. How is that acceptable in this day and age? A little green. It should be trees everywhere. But at least they use solar panels. Which place in Croatia is that? Is this related to the article or the one that you live in? Croatia is pretty green outside of the cities, but inside it is like every other city: lots of stone and little green. If they were to make it much more greener to a degree that you'd start to notice it that would mean massive investment in urban restructuring and I highly doubt any Croatian city of substantial size has the funds for that.
- mc32 3y agoThey could paint streets and rooves white and have a negative effect on heat Island effect temps.
- jacquesm 3y agoMany houses there are already stucco'd white. As for painting streets white: that reflects the heat onto the users of the streets... https://www.optimistdaily.com/2019/10/turns-out-painting-the-streets-white-doesnt-make-cities-cooler/ https://www.optimistdaily.com/2019/10/turns-out-painting-the...
- lnsru 3y agoI might be cynical, but the heat and climate problem isn’t that important since after corona working is only allowed from the office by my superiors. If it would be a real problem imho, the home office would be the solution on government level. My yearly mileage would drop from 15000 miles to 1000 miles.
- jacquesm 3y agoAgreed, it's ridiculous how the work-from-home advantage that we had for a short while has been wiped out. Traffic is as bad or worse than it was pre-COVID.
- haunter 3y agoThe salty wind from the sea make it much more tolerable imo. I’m in Hungary and the Carpathian Basin must be the worst. It’s like a big bowl, no wind, heat just stuck here, and not enough water surface.
- ricardobayes 3y agoSadly no, or at least not when the thermal sensation goes above 45C. I can relate the effect of the southerly wind in Spain like being in a hot hairdrier. Believe me you guys have it pretty good over there, with abundant water and plenty of good soil.
- 76SlashDolphin 3y agoJust came back from Bulgaria to visit friends and family and I kid you not when that I was very happy to be back in <20C rainy UK weather. I probably will still be miserable when it inevitably gets >30C here but at least it will be for a shorter period than half the summer in BG. And people find it funny when I tell them one of the reasons I moved to the UK was the weather...
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- kyriakos 3y agoMy car hit 43c today (Cyprus). Hard to stay productive unless you are in air-conditioning.
- 2-718-281-828 3y ago> The ESA monitors land and sea temperatures via its satellites. > The hottest temperature ever recorded in Europe was 48.8C in Sicily in August 2021. this is based on land-surface temperature! https://www.esa.int/Applications/Observing_the_Earth/Copernicus/Sentinel-3/Europe_braces_for_sweltering_July https://www.esa.int/Applications/Observing_the_Earth/Coperni... not sure how this is translating to air temperature physically.