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You can't take national vacancy rates because housing is extremely local. There's areas of the country with out-migration, lack of jobs, but tons of housing.
by steveBK123 3y ago
You can't take national vacancy rates because housing is extremely local.
There's areas of the country with out-migration, lack of jobs, but tons of housing. Post industrial cities in the midwest are like this.
There's areas of the country with high paying jobs, but no housing being built. Areas of NY & CA are like this. It is then no surprise that we have 60k homeless in NYC when even people working for banks or tech can barely afford to live there.
There's also areas of the country with decent paying jobs, but lots of housing.. with lots of in-migration. Sunbelt is like this.
All three of these types of areas have vastly different vacancy rates and homeless rates. Taking national averages confuses the matter.
Quick googling points to vacancy rates of: Manhattan 2%, Boston 3%, SF 7%, Detroit (12% owner vacancy / 7% rental vacancy), Miami (3% owner / 7% rental), Austin (1% owner / 6% rental) etc.
FRED has some good charts you can see state by state the levels and even shapes are totally different in terms of trends and averages.
Expensive northeast-
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/NYRVAC https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/NYRVAC
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/NJRVAC https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/NJRVAC
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CTRVAC https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CTRVAC
Midwest
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MIRVAC https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MIRVAC
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MNRVAC https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MNRVAC
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/ILRVAC https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/ILRVAC
Sunbelt
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/GARVAC https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/GARVAC
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/FLRVAC https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/FLRVAC
Northwest
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/ORRVAC https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/ORRVAC
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/WARVAC https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/WARVAC
Basically everywhere thats expensive has vacancies around 4% or less while areas that have been building its closer to 8%..
> why do you assume a wealthy family will only buy one house, or could be outbid by a poor family?
I was responding to this post that seemed to assume all new housing will be bought by the rich as like extra homes..
People underestimate how much "trickle down" kind of is real in RE.
In the absence of nice new construction (which seemingly always gets called "luxury"), people with money will move further and further down the market, to buy & renovate. So the option is build more homes to increase supply, or see the dollars chase existing supply & raise its value (and cost).
- eliasmacpherson 3y agoYou were content to talk about a hypothetical where there were 10 houses and 12 families. Now you are discontent unless I discuss luxury accommodation in specific property markets within the US. It's worth noting how close each of the metro averages you give is to 5.8%. All newly build luxury housing will by definition be bought be the rich. There is no assumption about that. The discussion was whether they decide to hoard, rent out or sell their old residence. The trend (global) is clear, e.g. NY, CA, SF and further beyond. https://old.reddit.com/r/toronto/comments/14zdsia/housing_prices_in_toronto_are_not_a_supply/ https://old.reddit.com/r/toronto/comments/14zdsia/housing_pr... The decider onto luxury housing being a benefit is whether the poor can in aggregate afford what the rich want for their old accommodation, increasingly, they cannot. It's not some sort of conspiracy that nice new construction is called 'luxury', whereas less nice new construction is called 'affordable'. I don't feel I have anything more to contribute.