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In a time where tolerance and respect for minorities is slowly becoming mainstream You could have said this at least for the last 70 years. It doesn't change t

by dfxm12 3y ago

In a time where tolerance and respect for minorities is slowly becoming mainstream You could have said this at least for the last 70 years. It doesn't change the systemic issues that enable prejudice against minorities. This means prejudice is still more mainstream than tolerance. Recently, there was a SCOTUS ruling that allows one to refuse making websites for same sex couples. This whole case was based on a falsified request. https://newrepublic.com/article/173987/mysterious-case-fake-gay-marriage-website-real-straight-man-supreme-court https://newrepublic.com/article/173987/mysterious-case-fake-...

Levitz 3y ago
>You could have said this at least for the last 70 years. It doesn't change the systemic issues that enable prejudice against minorities. This means prejudice is still more mainstream than tolerance While I find it impossible to quantify, I think we can at least assure that prejudice is frowned upon by society. Things have definitely changed in 70 years. >Recently, there was a SCOTUS ruling that allows one to refuse making websites for same sex couples. No. It allows one to refuse making a product if making that product implies speech.
- dfxm12 3y ago
  I think we can at least assure that prejudice is frowned upon by society. No, you can't. If it was, at a minimum SCOTUS wouldn't be playing games wrt signaling that it's OK do discriminate against same sex couples. Also at a minimum, we wouldn't have so much, let alone rising amounts of hate crime [0]. Unfortunately, society is pretty split on the whether prejudice is good or bad. 0 - https://www.fbi.gov/news/press-releases/fbi-releases-supplemental-2021-hate-crime-statistics https://www.fbi.gov/news/press-releases/fbi-releases-supplem...
  - Levitz 3y ago
    It seems to me that you are grasping at straws in order to paint a picture of oppression that doesn't match reality. I do believe that your convictions are good, but I don't think this helps them.
oceanplexian 3y ago
And? The other side was screaming at the top of their lungs that any business should be able to discriminate against a customer for not showing vaccine records. The only conclusion I’ve come to is that everyone is a damn hypocrite. Everyone wants to discriminate against people not in their group because they’ve been brainwashed, and because people are assholes.
- dfxm12 3y ago
  Thank you for at least recognizing that SCOTUS in on a side. However, it's hard to take your counterpoint seriously when 1. SCOTUS regularly upholds a private business' right to discriminate against same sex couples 2. tons of states passed laws explicitly prohibiting at a state level proof of vaccine without challenge anyway. These are not similar situations at all.

by dfxm12 3y ago

Levitz 3y ago

>You could have said this at least for the last 70 years. It doesn't change the systemic issues that enable prejudice against minorities. This means prejudice is still more mainstream than tolerance While I find it impossible to quantify, I think we can at least assure that prejudice is frowned upon by society. Things have definitely changed in 70 years. >Recently, there was a SCOTUS ruling that allows one to refuse making websites for same sex couples. No. It allows one to refuse making a product if making that product implies speech.

dfxm12 3y ago
I think we can at least assure that prejudice is frowned upon by society. No, you can't. If it was, at a minimum SCOTUS wouldn't be playing games wrt signaling that it's OK do discriminate against same sex couples. Also at a minimum, we wouldn't have so much, let alone rising amounts of hate crime [0]. Unfortunately, society is pretty split on the whether prejudice is good or bad. 0 - https://www.fbi.gov/news/press-releases/fbi-releases-supplemental-2021-hate-crime-statistics https://www.fbi.gov/news/press-releases/fbi-releases-supplem...
- Levitz 3y ago
  It seems to me that you are grasping at straws in order to paint a picture of oppression that doesn't match reality. I do believe that your convictions are good, but I don't think this helps them.

oceanplexian 3y ago

And? The other side was screaming at the top of their lungs that any business should be able to discriminate against a customer for not showing vaccine records. The only conclusion I’ve come to is that everyone is a damn hypocrite. Everyone wants to discriminate against people not in their group because they’ve been brainwashed, and because people are assholes.

dfxm12 3y ago
Thank you for at least recognizing that SCOTUS in on a side. However, it's hard to take your counterpoint seriously when 1. SCOTUS regularly upholds a private business' right to discriminate against same sex couples 2. tons of states passed laws explicitly prohibiting at a state level proof of vaccine without challenge anyway. These are not similar situations at all.