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This is a masterpiece, and I agree the title doesn't do it justice. He's literally found an almost completely deterministic set of inputs to beat the game. Had

This is a masterpiece, and I agree the title doesn't do it justice. He's literally found an almost completely deterministic set of inputs to beat the game. Had no idea you could retry trainers you lost to, or abuse the Nugget battle for unlimited money. Great watch!

charcircuit 3y ago
>Had no idea you could retry trainers you lost to This is fundemental to pokemon. Else you would have to restart the game any time you lost to a gym leader.
- carstenhag 3y ago
  Doesn't it tell you something like you fainted or woke up from a dream? It could be consistent with not actually leveling up your pokemon. But I think it's not the case.
  - saghm 3y ago
    If I remember correctly, it says something about you running back to the closest pokemon center to heal your team. The games show your team getting experience within battles as each member of the opponent's team is defeated (even letting you gain levels and learn/replace moves from those level gains mid-battle, although evolution via leveling up is deferred until after the battle), so I think it's pretty clear about those gains not being reverted if you lose. I think the main reason that people might not be aware that you can retry things with no penalty (other than losing a small amount of in-game money) is that most of the time people will save right before every trainer battle, and then just restart the game if something major goes wrong. I imagine a decent number of players have never seen what happens when you lose because it's often just as fast or faster to just turn the console off and back on and load the last save rather than go through the in-game sequence.
    - zamadatix 3y ago
      Between the two of us, at least one is in for a "wow, I really thought the way I played it was how everyone did" moment in that I've never even imagined playing the game by saving before most battles let alone restarting the console if it goes south. That seems more like a speedrunning strategy to me, whereas for most of normal play there tends to be very little actual risk in the battles to worry about.
  - rootsudo 3y ago
    I remember it says you blacked out in the first generation on gameboy.

charcircuit 3y ago

>Had no idea you could retry trainers you lost to This is fundemental to pokemon. Else you would have to restart the game any time you lost to a gym leader.

carstenhag 3y ago
Doesn't it tell you something like you fainted or woke up from a dream? It could be consistent with not actually leveling up your pokemon. But I think it's not the case.
- saghm 3y ago
  If I remember correctly, it says something about you running back to the closest pokemon center to heal your team. The games show your team getting experience within battles as each member of the opponent's team is defeated (even letting you gain levels and learn/replace moves from those level gains mid-battle, although evolution via leveling up is deferred until after the battle), so I think it's pretty clear about those gains not being reverted if you lose. I think the main reason that people might not be aware that you can retry things with no penalty (other than losing a small amount of in-game money) is that most of the time people will save right before every trainer battle, and then just restart the game if something major goes wrong. I imagine a decent number of players have never seen what happens when you lose because it's often just as fast or faster to just turn the console off and back on and load the last save rather than go through the in-game sequence.
  - zamadatix 3y ago
    Between the two of us, at least one is in for a "wow, I really thought the way I played it was how everyone did" moment in that I've never even imagined playing the game by saving before most battles let alone restarting the console if it goes south. That seems more like a speedrunning strategy to me, whereas for most of normal play there tends to be very little actual risk in the battles to worry about.
- rootsudo 3y ago
  I remember it says you blacked out in the first generation on gameboy.