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Erm, counter culture has nothing to do with age per se.

Swizec 3y ago
Touche. But many here on HN literally helped build the mainstream web. Or at least gave it their best shot. Hard to get more mainstream than “i work at facebook/google/whatever”
- hutzlibu 3y ago
  Oh for sure. When you get old, you want more comfort(or have a family to feed) and more comfort comes with more money and more money comes with loosening up some ideals.
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- harimau777 3y ago
  I see what you are saying. On the other hand, a lot of the counter culture that I've seen takes a view something like "The reality is that most of us have to work for a corp 9-5 to survive. What makes you counter culture is what you do with the rest of your life."
  - hutzlibu 3y ago
    "The reality is that most of us have to work for a corp 9-5 to survive." I think the reality is, that you have to work 9-5 to maintain the modern, expected standard. But if you don't care about that, there are plenty of other ways.
krapp 3y ago
"never trust anyone over 30" was a maxim for a reason. It's difficult to fight culture once you've become invested in the status quo, and so alienated by the cutting edge that modernity disgusts you.
- hutzlibu 3y ago
  "that modernity disgusts you" The thing that disgusts me the most about modernity, is actually teenage Instagramm/TikTok zombies, totally unaware of the algorithms controlling them, created by the tech crowd.
- ipaddr 3y ago
  That was for a different time. Those under 30s grew up and many are more countercultural than kids under 30 now
  - Swizec 3y ago
    > Those under 30s grew up and many are more countercultural than kids under 30 now Pretty sure this is exactly how my Gen X parents feel. My mom couldn't understand how the music I loved in high school doesn't have a political message. But she grew up in a time when you'd go to jail for speaking up against the regime unless it was masked through art. I grew up in a democracy. Very different.
- jononomo 3y ago
  My motto is "don't trust anyone under 30" -- because in my experience they just don't know enough yet to have valuable opinions and also because the kids these days have a value system that deifies mental illness and victimhood, and I'm just not interested in the opinions of people who operate from a mentally-ill victimhood stance.
  - hutzlibu 3y ago
    But do you actually interact with kids? If you would, you might find that there are differences, just like with old people.
    - jononomo 3y ago
      Yes, I've interacted with the kids. They decorate their desks with Harry Potter paraphernalia and they boast about their eating disorders.

Touche. But many here on HN literally helped build the mainstream web. Or at least gave it their best shot. Hard to get more mainstream than “i work at facebook/google/whatever”

hutzlibu 3y ago
Oh for sure. When you get old, you want more comfort(or have a family to feed) and more comfort comes with more money and more money comes with loosening up some ideals.
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harimau777 3y ago
I see what you are saying. On the other hand, a lot of the counter culture that I've seen takes a view something like "The reality is that most of us have to work for a corp 9-5 to survive. What makes you counter culture is what you do with the rest of your life."
- hutzlibu 3y ago
  "The reality is that most of us have to work for a corp 9-5 to survive." I think the reality is, that you have to work 9-5 to maintain the modern, expected standard. But if you don't care about that, there are plenty of other ways.

krapp 3y ago

"never trust anyone over 30" was a maxim for a reason. It's difficult to fight culture once you've become invested in the status quo, and so alienated by the cutting edge that modernity disgusts you.

hutzlibu 3y ago
"that modernity disgusts you" The thing that disgusts me the most about modernity, is actually teenage Instagramm/TikTok zombies, totally unaware of the algorithms controlling them, created by the tech crowd.
ipaddr 3y ago
That was for a different time. Those under 30s grew up and many are more countercultural than kids under 30 now
- Swizec 3y ago
  > Those under 30s grew up and many are more countercultural than kids under 30 now Pretty sure this is exactly how my Gen X parents feel. My mom couldn't understand how the music I loved in high school doesn't have a political message. But she grew up in a time when you'd go to jail for speaking up against the regime unless it was masked through art. I grew up in a democracy. Very different.
jononomo 3y ago
My motto is "don't trust anyone under 30" -- because in my experience they just don't know enough yet to have valuable opinions and also because the kids these days have a value system that deifies mental illness and victimhood, and I'm just not interested in the opinions of people who operate from a mentally-ill victimhood stance.
- hutzlibu 3y ago
  But do you actually interact with kids? If you would, you might find that there are differences, just like with old people.
  - jononomo 3y ago
    Yes, I've interacted with the kids. They decorate their desks with Harry Potter paraphernalia and they boast about their eating disorders.