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Well that depends right? I don't think anyone WANTS a nuclear exchange. But we're escalating pretty rapidly. A year ago we were "no lethal aid", now we're givi
by LatteLazy 3y ago
Well that depends right? I don't think anyone WANTS a nuclear exchange.
But we're escalating pretty rapidly. A year ago we were "no lethal aid", now we're giving Ukraine F 16s. If Putin said "do that and I'll blow them the fuck up on the way over", who he be serious or not? If he tried would we retaliate and how? If a conventional missile strike fails will he hit it with an ICBM (much harder to intercept)? If so, we will not know whether it is nuclear armed until it hits. So do we (nuclear) strike back or just take the first hit? And if we hit back is Russia's early warning system smart enough to tell whether we're using a nuke? And all of this assumes 1000s of individual soldiers who we rely on to man these systems, report information and make no mistakes will be 100% on it...
And these are all rational actions by rational actors none of whom actually wants a nuclear exchange right?
And if someone on either side is NOT rational. Then there is even more need to know what it actually happening right?
It would be nice to have answers to all of these questions without having to try them out and see...
- _kbh_ 3y ago> But we're escalating pretty rapidly. A year ago we were "no lethal aid", now we're giving Ukraine F 16s. I don't know who the 'we' is in this scenario but the west has been giving Ukraine lethal aid ever since 2017.
- LatteLazy 3y agoThe earliest I am aware of is June 2020 (some small patrol boats) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_aid_to_Ukraine_during_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_aid_to_Ukrain... Happy to be corrected. I believe that before then we were limited ourselves to "non-lethal aid" like radios and kevlar...
- _kbh_ 3y ago> The earliest I am aware of is June 2020 (some small patrol boats) In 2017 the US sent javelins to Ukraine. https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2017/12/23/us-officials-say-lethal-weapons-headed-to-ukraine.html https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2017/12/23/us-officials-say-lethal-...
- red-iron-pine 3y agoBefore 2017, as far back as 2015, when the "little green men" started showing up. Non-trivial -- but nowhere near as much as now -- amounts of ammo and other supplies.
- watwut 3y ago> A year ago we were "no lethal aid", This is 100% false. A year ago, in July of 2022, Ukraine was already getting a lot of lethal aid. They started getting a lot of it pretty much by the beginning, when it was clear that Ukraine did not fold instanly in three days.