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I mean, Joel Osteen definitely does. I don't think its fair to call all large churches bullshit. Their website seems genuine https://www.liquidchurch.com/about

I mean, Joel Osteen definitely does. I don't think its fair to call all large churches bullshit. Their website seems genuine https://www.liquidchurch.com/about-liquid/ https://www.liquidchurch.com/about-liquid/

andsoitis 3y ago
It is curious how they define God as being co-equal Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. They then go into describing the Son and the Holy Spirit, but not the Father. It would be nice if they also described the Father who is fully 1/3 of God. Odd. https://www.liquidchurch.com/about-liquid/values-beliefs/ https://www.liquidchurch.com/about-liquid/values-beliefs/
- OkayPhysicist 3y ago
  I think they assume that the average person reading a church website is reasonably well acquainted with the concept of "God". There's a lot more potential for theological nuance with your positions on Christ and the Holy Spirit.
atchoo 3y ago
Oh yeah? https://liquidchurch.com/blogs/multiply-your-money https://liquidchurch.com/blogs/multiply-your-money > When we trust God with our finances, we open ourselves to His blessings and provision. In the story of the fishes and loaves, Jesus demonstrated His power to multiply resources beyond human capability. He did not just provide enough food for the crowd, but there were plenty of leftovers. It proves God can work miracles with our finances, too > When we tithe, we demonstrate our trust in God for our needs. Tithing is not just about giving 10% of our income to the church but also giving our first fruits to God. When we give our first fruits, we put God first in our lives and acknowledge Him as the source of all our blessings. It is vitally important to remember; God must bless it before it can multiply in your hands. > Tithing is just the beginning of our giving journey. God wants us to go above and beyond our tithes by giving offerings. Offerings are gifts to God over and above our tithes, demonstrating our willingness to be generous with our resources. When we give offerings, we tell God that we trust Him to multiply our resources and use them for His glory! > Let us be faithful stewards of God's blessings and use them to make a difference. Remember, only what is given away can multiply! Fucking grim. Most of these charasmatic churches are grifts. They focus on evangelical growth and tithing like an MLM. Only the gullible would give any them the benefit of doubt.
- dahfizz 3y ago
  How disappointing...
- mcphage 3y ago
  I don't think that's prosperity gospel teaching, though.
  - atchoo 3y ago
    It's a pretty classic example. If anything, I'm suprised at how brazen it is. The more presentable form has two steps, the first "having faith will make you richer" and then an inevitable second step of "faith is to make donations/tithing" to complete the grift. This just says fuck it, to multiply your money, give 10% of your income and then extra offerings because "God can work miracles with our finances" lol.
    - OkayPhysicist 3y ago
      You forgot the often unspoken, but seriously damaging to the moral fiber of our society, final bit: Since God rewards people (not just in heaven, but on Earth) for their good deeds, people who are rich must be good, and people who are poor must be evil.
      - mcphage 3y ago
        Prosperity gospel teaching is pretty upfront about that part—it's kinda the whole thing.

andsoitis 3y ago

It is curious how they define God as being co-equal Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. They then go into describing the Son and the Holy Spirit, but not the Father. It would be nice if they also described the Father who is fully 1/3 of God. Odd. https://www.liquidchurch.com/about-liquid/values-beliefs/ https://www.liquidchurch.com/about-liquid/values-beliefs/

OkayPhysicist 3y ago
I think they assume that the average person reading a church website is reasonably well acquainted with the concept of "God". There's a lot more potential for theological nuance with your positions on Christ and the Holy Spirit.

atchoo 3y ago

Oh yeah? https://liquidchurch.com/blogs/multiply-your-money https://liquidchurch.com/blogs/multiply-your-money > When we trust God with our finances, we open ourselves to His blessings and provision. In the story of the fishes and loaves, Jesus demonstrated His power to multiply resources beyond human capability. He did not just provide enough food for the crowd, but there were plenty of leftovers. It proves God can work miracles with our finances, too > When we tithe, we demonstrate our trust in God for our needs. Tithing is not just about giving 10% of our income to the church but also giving our first fruits to God. When we give our first fruits, we put God first in our lives and acknowledge Him as the source of all our blessings. It is vitally important to remember; God must bless it before it can multiply in your hands. > Tithing is just the beginning of our giving journey. God wants us to go above and beyond our tithes by giving offerings. Offerings are gifts to God over and above our tithes, demonstrating our willingness to be generous with our resources. When we give offerings, we tell God that we trust Him to multiply our resources and use them for His glory! > Let us be faithful stewards of God's blessings and use them to make a difference. Remember, only what is given away can multiply! Fucking grim. Most of these charasmatic churches are grifts. They focus on evangelical growth and tithing like an MLM. Only the gullible would give any them the benefit of doubt.

dahfizz 3y ago
How disappointing...
mcphage 3y ago
I don't think that's prosperity gospel teaching, though.
- atchoo 3y ago
  It's a pretty classic example. If anything, I'm suprised at how brazen it is. The more presentable form has two steps, the first "having faith will make you richer" and then an inevitable second step of "faith is to make donations/tithing" to complete the grift. This just says fuck it, to multiply your money, give 10% of your income and then extra offerings because "God can work miracles with our finances" lol.
  - OkayPhysicist 3y ago
    You forgot the often unspoken, but seriously damaging to the moral fiber of our society, final bit: Since God rewards people (not just in heaven, but on Earth) for their good deeds, people who are rich must be good, and people who are poor must be evil.
    - mcphage 3y ago
      Prosperity gospel teaching is pretty upfront about that part—it's kinda the whole thing.